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Hey, Birdy wasn't it a pleasure to read a post from the good old days of Norm's forum....Craig was one of the best friends I had on the old forum, and we also shared the doubious fame of being the only two people banned on the forum for being a little on the blunt side, but the truth is Craig was a great resource of common sense advice who actually knew something about flying these things, sometimes given in maybe a little coarse language.It would be neat if Craig were to post over here on this forum...Anyhow I noticed you recognized talent.Chuck E.
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The thing bout you n Craig is ,you both speak my english,I can understand wot your say'n and the sentences arn't extened to exhusting lengths soas not to offend someone.Just speak ya mind,that way everybody will get the point.And the blunter the better.You ,me n Craig got to get together one day and service a bottle of jet fuel mate,a big bottle.Reckon we could cure alot of the worlds ills.Ignorance is bliss............but only till you realise you were.
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Hey there Birdy, hows it hangin? ( Gyro talk [
])I still ocassionaly surf the American forum just for something to do and noticed you are trying to give advice based on reality....it ain't gonna work mate cause these guys are not capable of listening to anyone who actually lives in the real world of working aircraft.I will say this much though, Paul B. has moved a long way from his position when I first met him in cyberspace....so I kind of cut him some slack because I do believe he really tries hard. [^]Chuck E.
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Bout - 6* mate.[]I know hes try'n hard Chuck,and generaly in the right direction,but I reckon you know the point I'm try'n to make,probably coz you understand from your EXPERIANCES.[
]Maybe you could have a yarn to Paul,he'll listen to you[^],he won't even contenplate listening to a mear SCG.[
]If he thinks I'm attack'n him personaly he's lived a very sheltered life.[!]There is only one flaw in his philosiphy regarding gyros,and I think it is a potentialy dangerous one,and thats bout all I'v ever harped about.But he,like most over there,just don't care,or don't know and thats why they don't give a rats[V].And friendly advise cum'n from a SCG,...well ,I might as well **** into the wind. [xx(]All o this is no skin of my nose,but every time I hear/read of another incident in a stable machine.........you know wot I'm think'n.Not many understand wot me quote means ay.[Ignorance is bliss............but only till you realise you were.]Trouble is for most of these clowns is they'll never know,coz they wont know wot hit them.[xx(]Ignorance is bliss............but only till you realise you were.Ingratitude stinks.......be generous carefully.
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Birdy & Chuck,All of us who actually fly know, or ought to know, that the most dangerous part of any aircraft is the Pilot. And the most important part of the pilot is what's between his ears.Anything that flies is bloody well dangerous and it doesn't take much to find that out the hard way. My instructor saved my A@@ many times and, in the process, let me make enough of my own mistakes to scare the hell out of myself and become very aware of just how quickly things can go bad. I trained in an AAI modified RAF, a very stable gyroplane.I am a very low time gyro pilot, 65 hours, and may never be able to fly enough to ever become a GOOD pilot, but that doesn't mean I can't be a SAFE pilot. Being safe means being aware of your limitations and weaknesses, both physical and mental. It means knowing your aircraft and understanding how the winds and weather work where you're flying and a lot more.I think that there is too much talk about the how certain gyroplanes fly and not enough talk about how pilots (should) fly them on the other forum. I also think some of the posters have a pretty macho attitude about their flying which is bloody dangerous. It is a mistake to give the impression that flying a stable gyroplane is easy. It is not. It is a mistake to give the impression that a stable gyroplane will never get a pilot into trouble. It most certainly can and probably will if the pilot gets behind it. A stable gyro is certainly a much better trainer than a Parson's, but a bad pilot is likely to wad both of them up. There have been many examples of very poor decision making on the other forum. In the past people seemed far more willing to discuss their errors and learn from them. Now, not so much.I hope both of you hang around and add your practical piloting experience to the discussions. Don't hesitate to call an idiot an idiot. I think there are more people who would back you up than not.
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Well said Peter - spoken with common sense. With that attitude you may become a good pilot if you are not already.Tim McClure
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Hi pwendell,Good to see some common sense being posted. Its only my opion but I think training is 99% of the equation, specially for the pilot thats not a "natural".Its only my belief but I would rather see a newby learn in a gyro that needs flying rather than a gyro thats stable and doesnt require the pilot to do all that much.In my case I was a FW pilot with about 1500 hours to my name when I turned up to learn to fly, Rosco was my instructor and "Twitchy" was the gyro I learnt in, typically I overcontrolled and Rosco perservred getting me to fly up and down the strip a few feet off the deck till I eventually become proficient at STRAIGHT & LEVEL all the time, I was then flying the gyro, not it flying me. I believe, sorry, I KNOW that Rosco's training has been the foundation of my skills !! I know that mastering "twitchy" gave me the skill to be able to safely fly.Apparently its fairly hard to learn to fly a chopper and can take quite a few hours just to get it to hover yet no one has gone to lengths to make one so that "anyone" could hop in and fly it.I have nothing against anyone wanting a CLT /stable/tall tail to fly in or learn in BUT be cautioned newbyies, Paul has stated in a post regarding the Magni that it DIDNT matter how a gyro was made stable, as long as it was stable yet anyone reading most of his posts would think it was mandatory to have a CLT gyro, anything not CLT is regarded as iether dangerous unflyable or unsafe.People for many years now have been proving that even idiot proof things can and are being stuffed up on a daily basis. Its a little like putting a learner driver in the standard family sedan, a very safe /stable learning platform yet a heavy application of power will find the learner driver behind the eight ball and most likely in a lot of trouble and this scenario could occur in a CLT /Safe gyro thats given full throttle and gets caught in a big "wirly wirly" and unloads the rotors at high speed. No doubt the same pilot in a HTLM is going to be in trouble too but my point is that both gyros can deliver the same pilot that abuses the situation, to the same result.My bet is that the one's that Rosco taught would be more likely to successfully fly out the other side of the wirly. Thats just my opinion of a simple goat/sheep/cow grower!! I know that instructors are thin on the ground and have a tough job to do but it doesnt change the fact that training is everything.Interesting to see that Chucks post above has been copied onto the USA forum. You never know how far you can go, till you get there !
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Only one word to say to you Pete,Thanx.Why the hell can't the others see wot I'm try'n to tell them.I don't know much bout you or Chuck E.,[except chuck's a bloody hot head] but you can git me drift.Why can't they.And especialy Paul,he should understand,afterall ,hes an Ozzy like us.As soon as he sees me post the word PAUL he sees red.The only reason I post wot I post is to make aware some of the suttle dangers that alot of people are unaware of,but are NOT immune to.Ignorance is bliss............but only till you realise you were.Ingratitude stinks.......be generous carefully.
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Spot on. Ken
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Birdy, I find it interesting that a dumb cow grower has the ability to pick maggot material out of cow dung......a good example is your commenting on this on the USA forum........
He does know...cause in his experienced hands and control, ANY gyro is a *stable* gyro.Don't confuse stability with ability Harry.Ability will make it safe.....................for him.Stability will make it safer ,for most.
Thanks for pointing out this ignorant opinion, now my question is how come a dumb cow grower can recognize dangerous information and none of the US instructors have commented?Oh, by the way I am not a "hot head " Birdy, I just can not stand ignorance being shoved down peoples throats and try and point out that people get killed by listening to ignorant information.Chuck E.
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Isn't it amazing how history keeps repeating itself? This whole stability argument dates right back to the Wrights and other US and European pioneers! From what I have read recently, everyone other than the Wrights, when they scaled up their successful models m aintained the stability required for it to fly without much in the way of control inputs. The Wrights on the other hand, with their extensive gliding experiments, had become extremely skilled in controlling their machines in the strong winds at Kittyhawk.Later this was a disadvantage to the Wrights as it was difficult for others to fly their extremely responsive machines.John EvansThink logically and do things well, think laterally and do things better.
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I appreciate the occasional bit of support over there Chuck,but sometimes they agree with me without understanding my point. [V]Nevertheless,I reckon ol mate Harry might be reconsidering his understanding now.[]At least I hope so,coz that was me intention.[mind you,I bet Harry will be the only one besides you to notice it].And BTW,you are a hot head,and thats why I'll call you mate.[}
][][]Ignorance is bliss............but only till you realise you were.Ingratitude stinks.......be generous carefully.
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Birdy said,At least I hope so,coz that was me intention.[mind you,I bet Harry will be the only one besides you to notice it].I picked that up too, Birdy.If you're not careful, you'll ruin your reputation as an SCG.[]Mike GaspardKaplan, La., U.S.A.http://www.pra20.com
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I'm still a SCG coz thats all I wana be Mike.[][]Ignorance is bliss............but only till you realise you were.Ingratitude stinks.......be generous carefully.
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