VSRA Hang Your Machine Weekend

[lparsons]

I don"t look at at the forum much and don"t really wish to start now, but the feedback I got, I"d better say something. Last weekend was for flying, which we did, and I did not intend testing, but some of the boys wanted to, just to see what would happen. Single seaters and light machines, no problem. We were not properly prepared. but we did learn what was needed. The report was how the crew felt on the day. We all thought we had pushed the safety envelope enough. My machine is fairly big; the tail is 5" (1.5 metres) wide by 55" (1.4m) long, with a stepped keel.I did think about welding up a table with all the safety features, but put that out of my mind - what would I do with it afterwards? I also thought of a T shaped hole - thanks Brian anyway - but CEMENT was named after this type of country and at 74 years and having spent many years swinging a black snake (crowbar) I am trying to avoid it. I know the hole is the way to go, so I"ll just have to find a backhoe somewhere.On the safety issue, don"t take it lightly even though we might be a little paranoid at the moment as 2 weeks ago a young bloke around here had some farm machinery come down on him. He has had spinal surgery in Sydney and they think he"ll be OK but will have to learn to walk again and he won"t be home before Christmas so he is more than bruised. Also, the biggest and strongest man I know (at 6ft 8 ins) was welding under his crawler tractor when the blade came down and he now rides a wheelchair.Maybe if I was a quitter Brownie"s(whoever he is) suggestion was the best - hang the rotors in the rafters and stick with the Cessna 180 and ultralights, that way missing the kneejerk reactions. But after 52 years of fun flying I think I"ll try for a

[Brian]

For everyones information, I have it on very good authority, that "Danny" is a registered and his gyro is also registered so all of us who assumed that he was a not so, can bite our tongue or backside [whichever is closer

[Brian]

Brian,digging a hole in my opinion is insane.If one needs a solution then put a weighted mannequin in both seats.

[bosca]

My apologies Brian,as you are correct.

[danny]

What an accusing, fragile and suspicious lot. I don"t have much to do with ASRA, perhaps the overtones toward my comment regards HTL, are the reason why. I don"t fly unregistered things and I am well aware of legal implications pretty much across the board, it goes with my job. It"s just as well that I"m not thin skinned nor interested in persuing slanderous insinuation. You"d think especially from an ASRA board member, that there would be a bit more hospitality extended. Keep it up and you"ll keep ASRA fragmented.Thanks RossB for giving me an idea regarding fuel efficiency with TL change, I am of course interested in that line of discussion.It"s all a learning curve and while having a cuppa yesterday I couldn"t help thinking about the idea of holding the stick in a fixed position, as I read somewhere on the forum. Perhaps that"s what"s happening sometimes in these fatalities. Maybe some pilots when confronted with certain circumstances hold the stick absolutely fixed. When I go out chasing thermals and get hit by a strong, hot and low density gust, the stick moves quite markedly as the pod is pushed around so that the stable gyroscopic platform of the rotor remains temporarily fixed. I mean that if the gust kicks in from the right, example in one plane only, the pod swings to the left, and quite obviousy the stick must go left too, mechanically all hooked together, maybe up to 40mm. If I was to hold the stick and not let it move across as it needs, I"d say you might get into major trouble because you"d be effectively applying a de-stabilsing force into the rotor. When I fly I think of flying the rotor not the pod. In rough weather I let the pod sway around pretty much like trike pilots do, they fly the wing and not the chair that they sit in. So as a suggestion rather than focus 100% on the TL, because that"s not the full story, I"m sorry but it"s not, maybe we should be changing our training so that a bit more understanding of the physics is included or at least let the new pilot now what to expect as they go.If anyone out there has done the balancing for a rosco single place machine could they let me know how high I might need to jack the wheels up off the ground to do the test. Thanks for that DANNY CAMEL

[asra]

Slanderous insinuation?? You mean Danny Camel isn"t your real name?? **** I"m shocked!!

[Brian]

My apologies Brian,as you are correct.

[Brian]

Hi Danny, sorry for not welcoming you to the forum, had a big day yesterday and it was a trying & tiring one with some really rough weather as a storm front & change came through. Anyway, welcome to the forum, always good to have newcomers coming in.[specially one who actually fly

[asra]

Hi DannyDuring our testing, one of our club machines was a stock poded Rosco with 80Ltr Goodwin tank and EA81 Fitted with NSI box. Thrustline offset with CofG was about 4 inches high no fuel and about 8 inches high full of fuel. Pilot weight about 75-80kg"s.Hope this helps. Regards SamL.............

[aussie_paul]

Hi DannyDuring our testing, one of our club machines was a stock poded Rosco with 80Ltr Goodwin tank and EA81 Fitted with NSI box. Thrustline offset with CofG was about 4 inches high no fuel and about 8 inches high full of fuel. Pilot weight about 75-80kg"s.Hope this helps. Regards SamL.............Sam, if I remember correctly the NSI gearbox has the engine crankshaft and the prop shaft in line. If that is the case a Rotax box mounted with the prop line above the engine crank would make the gyro between 75 to 100mm more HTL???Aussie Paul.

[danny]

thanks for the welcome and the numbers for the rosco height, I will have a go at that in a couple of weeks on my machine and let you know how I get on. Regarding the balance I"m thinking that I could probably use the end of my trailer as an adjustable ramp come table to do the job. Not sure just how I can lift the machine to do the hang test, but I"m sure that some bright idea will hit me. Just busy for awhile on other stuff.

[asra]

Sam, if I remember correctly the NSI gearbox has the engine crankshaft and the prop shaft in line. If that is the case a Rotax box mounted with the prop line above the engine crank would make the gyro between 75 to 100mm more HTL???Aussie Paul. NSI upward offset, would be similar to an autoflight offset.Cheer"s

[asra]

calm down murry, danny is a nice guy, we all know you don`t like rosco but there`s no need to upset danny ;D

[aussie_paul]

NSI upward offset, would be similar to an autoflight offset.Cheer"sOk, thanks Sam. Memory not as good as it used to be!!!!!Aussie Paul..

[danny]

thanks flybum. danny is a good bloke. DANNY CAMEL