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    Anyone out there able to tell me if anyone has ever considered designing the main wheels to turn in the direction of intended landing? Designed in such a way as to be locked in a straight ahead position for takeoff or normal taxiing but able to be unlocked to follow the direction of the nose wheel upon landing?Would this make the gyro handle like a cat on a hot tin roof and more flippable or possibly reduce the tendency by enabling the slightly out of aligned gyro to move with the line of mass movement?Ted

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    Why ted.........the old pedals do a great job of getin it straight, evin in a howling X wind, or another way is to kick it into the wind at the very last point....ie, touchdown across the strip....reel ezy, zero roll 2.Golden rule on landings........keep it straight,no excuse for not doin it, coz it's bloody ezy. The more fancy stuff can come laterRuss....A1014 NT....gods country

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    • #3
      True Russell, but.. if you are pointing in one direction because you are out of shape for what ever reason.... and your mass is travelling in another its likely you are screw something up big time.I take it you are suggesting its too late at touch down to do anything other than hang on for dear life if you are a little untidy?Ted

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        The ONLY time you are forced to touch down, is when the engine ain't goin, so if you're untidy...power on, try again, go round etc etcRuss....A1014 NT....gods country

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          Thank you Sir Russ,Okay, will try to remember that bit when I next get the opportunity to flyTed

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          • #6
            Geez, I charge students for this, hell.....yur getin freebees here.Where are you, as I'm hedin Qland way as soon as the trainer is up and going again, could get together maybeRuss....A1014 NT....gods country

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            • #7
              Russ, I'm 15 mins north of Toowoomba. As I remember you telling me you got your brother in law lost down a Horse paddock track, what makes you think you could find your way here? []Ted

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              • #8
                Ted, I flew trikes for many years prior to finaly converting to gyro's. The reason I am going to mention trikes is because they are a 2 axis machine, meaning they can ROLL, PITCH, but cannot YAW.During a turn the machine does yaw but it is a secondary affect of roll.So what the hell has this got to do with this subject ?A cross wind landing in a trike is possible, and I have done it many times, in up to 15 knots x wind.The trick is to fly the machine down, and during your flair, touch down on your mains only, (SORT OF MONO) the aircraft will automatically aline its self in the direction of movement,(same as trailing link suspention)then once alined you simply drop the nose wheel, and presto !!!. This manuvare does require extra speed.My suggestion is if you had a gyro with enougth rear ground clearance below you tail wheel, then could this be also applied?Maybe the tail wheel could be used to acheive the same result?My suggestions are only suggestions, and these would only be used in the unlikely event of an untidey landing. Some of the very experienced gyronaut's could possibly like to comment on these techniques being applied to gyro's. Sam. [?]

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                • #9
                  Some of the "bushies" get lazy after a while and dig the tail in first to straighten the gyro because they couldn't be bothered moving their feet. There is really no excuse though for not using the rudder correctly when landing in a crosswind. If the gyro gets out of shape, then it is generally the pilots fault, not the gyros.Tim McClure

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                  • #10
                    Lazy???I thought that was the reason there was a tail wheel.Ignorance is bliss............but only till you realise you were.You can always get the answer you want, if you ask enough experts.

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                    • #11
                      Tim, recently I had the opportunity to view a video clip of the russian Hunter3 gyro. In this clip the pilot, had a real tendency to 'dig the tail' in a big way. A one stage I thought he was wanting to land on his back. Same with his take off too. It confronts our concept of building up airspeed before letting the aircraft fly itself off the ground.Mind you lots of the video clips of the Americans seem different from my understanding of take off and landings. Too orientated to FW training perhaps (in my case)??Ted

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                      • #12
                        Yes I agree with you Ted and it is starting to happen in Australia too (take off and landing like fixed wings) Lets hope the Gyro never looses one of the things that give it its unique quality and separates it from most other aircraft.Tim McClure

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ted EgglestonRuss, I'm 15 mins north of Toowoomba. As I remember you telling me you got your brother in law lost down a Horse paddock track, what makes you think you could find your way here? []TedMate , I've got the homing instincts of a pidgeon, but alas, is'nt toowoomba up in them mountains, sorry mate , too cold for me there this time of the year, had a cold nite here last nite, yea it was about 19 degrees........freezinRuss....A1014 NT....gods country

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                          • #14
                            Russ, you're a big blouse..... mate that is positively warm. Come on down when it warms up a little and we'll go for a spin or two.I'll remind you when it gets back to 10 degrees at 5am and you can wander down this way.Ted

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