Stick position

[asra]

Can anyone out there tell me if anyone has designed or thought of designing the stick to be similar to the Cirrus Aircraft? As in a side stick like an excavator controls?Too expensive? Too little moment gained? Too fanciful?? Too futuristic???Ted

[asra]

Too many questions.....Russ....A1014 NT....gods country

[asra]

Come on Russ... they are simple questions to a complex issue. Surely people like you have an opinion?Ted

[asra]

[asra]

Jeff H-S has one on his two seater...

[Tim]

There are legal limits for the joystick movements for an approved gyroplane - something like between 10" and 12" I think. It would be hard to get that much travel in a "computer joystick".Tim McClure

[asra]

Tim, has anyone worked out the pressure factors on a control stick altering the rotors?There'll be a way of doing it somewhere.. somehow.I was sitting here thinking, drinking and suddenly up popped a thought.. what would it take to design a radical gyro? I've long thought about pod shape and the necessary streamlining to minimise drag.You're right day dreaming is one thing... making it work is another.Ted

[NiqueNaque]

Ted,See 'flyinhi's posting on a revolutionary new gyro...Post along the same lines when you are game.Cheers,Nick.

[asra]

TedWhy do you want to design a radical gyro?? Have you ever flown a gyro? Have you had any training??If your thinking of designing something radical as a first machine, be aware there a lot of unfinished gyro projects filling the sheds of Australia.Keep it simple at first, and build your radical machine when you have the skills to be the test pilot.Also keep the odds on your side and build something using proven techniques and proven hardware. Good luck and safe flyingRoss B

[asra]

Ross, I'm well aware of the high percentage of unfinished projects both fixed wing and gyro's. Yes I have had a flight and I am undertaking training, so that's not an issue either. Hell if we had simply sat down and not thought outside the square, we'd still be living in caves, and grunting to each other.I for one want to push beyond the ordinary man's comfort zone when it comes to thinking and I make no apologies for that.Ted

[asra]

Ok Ted grunt grunt ....................I'll just crawl back under my rock and wait for next the ice age.As for the ordinary man's comfort zone, give it a break.I say again!!!!!! snort grunt..................Keep it simple at first, and build your radical machine when you have the skills to be the test pilot.Also keep the odds on your side and build something using proven techniques and proven hardware. Good luck and safe flyingAnyone ever thought of building rotor blades from rock?. Also animal skin makes a great flight suit.Ross B

[asra]

Ross, you are flying a gyro because someone years ago made it work. Try remembering what it would be like if we all sat back and said don't be innovative. I am greatly dissapointed in the attitude of some people who fail to recognise that everything they use is because someone else had a think about the item and made it work, or work better or faster or found a way to overcome the percieved shortcomings.The fact that you use a computer at least shows you are not entirely besotted with the concept of sitting on your backside hoping nothing ever progresses in life.You must dread waking up each morning Ross. If you don't like the thread then simply stay out of it.Ted

[asra]

TedYou should try actually reading what I have written. I am all for innovation. I'll spell it out.Learn to fly and get some hours in a conventional (I suggest CLT) easy to fly machine.Reading your postings leads me to think you should be focussing on learning to fly, instead of trying to design a machine to compensate for lack of pilot skill.When you have gained the skills required to test fly your own machines, you will be in a position to think about radical innovation. By this stage you will have an understanding of the real limitations and the the real technical challenges in gyro design.How about you post some questions on how to fly a gyro, how to land it in a cross wind.......etc, these appear to be the issues you need to address.The answers you get to these questions may help you at your stage of training.Enough internet stuff.... time to fly.......fill the 65l tank and get into the air.Good LuckRoss B

[Tim]

Ted, I too am all for innovation and improvement, but it would be wise to run your ideas past this forum and the US forum before you become more too committed. Chances are someone has already been there, done that and it could save you many hours and $$$$. There isn't much that has not already been tried in the last 50 years of gyroplane development.It is also a fact that many try the basic "Bensen" and decide that gyros are not for them and sell them for little loss.Tim McClure

[asra]

Tim, Whilst I am a member of both forums I have found from experience that most of the American issues have been anti PRA, Mentone airport, Anti RAF, CLT and there's a continual undercurrent of Us vs them. Occasionally some good discussions arise. My main thrust here is to develop some debate within the Aussie forum ( to breathe some life into it). For some reason Ross has focused on the "designing a radical gyro" rather than simply raising issues for thought. I can assure you he is way off target, in fact, hopelessly off target. Surely within the Australian gyro community that we have enough experience, knowlege and intellectual capacity to carry a discussion on these issues. While we may be the poor cousin to the American forum because of the number of participants, we should be able to match them for enthusiasm,drive and a thirst for knowlege.If that is not the function of this forum then perhaps we'd better close it down.Ted