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Cant help it, I am very partial to these things. We'll see what06 brings about.Despite it looking big, its actually not. Compare the size of theprop and spinner to the lump behind them,Image Insert:
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For me, it's absolutely the future of aviation.If you compare the performance and reliability of the modern Common Rail diesels to those from the Mercedes 180 in the 50-ties,then lycoming 0320 should be now a 300hp wonder ;-)We cannot stay in the pit of the half-century old engineconstructions for ever...Just my 2 cents...
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The PIO was expected to raise as much as $173 million.............. .Bloody ell, gimee a gyro, i'm guna be rich.Ignorance is bliss............but only till you realise you were.You can always get the answer you want, if you ask enough experts.
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I agree, they are the way to go BUT, has anyone got a price for the motor ?? A Lycoming O320 is around the $30,00 mark so its hard to believe the Thielert will sell for less.
I reckon I know some blokes that just might be agreeable to buy one for me. Would be right up their alley !! and cheaper than Premium unleaded. This could be good !!Brian
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One reason GA motors havent changed is because of product liability. FW makers have had to wait till something has come out of the car industry before they can change motors and that in turn will allow Lycoming and Continental to change their motors too to keep in pace with the new technology as the consumers will be demanding change and forget about sueing Lycoming.Brian
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G,day,These motors are not cheap but you have to remenber that they are more economical and have a 3000 hr TBO. The price I understand is 45,000 euro for the 12 volt system and47,000 for the 24 volt. This is the fitted price from the dash forward, complete ! I reckon thats pretty good.You can buy a good structually sound Cessna 172 with a timed outengine for around 60K. Have it refurbished inside and out withnew paint and glass also and then with the Thielert fitted youhave an as new aircraft for a bit over Oz200K.Thats not bad.They also have the three bladed constant speed prop and the singlelever fadec control !I would like to see if it could be fitted to a Gyro. The weightincluding all of the plumbing, radiator and fadec is comparable to the big Subaroo's going into Gyro,sCheers.Robert DunnMackay. Qld.Growing old is good while it lasts.
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Below is a pic of a 172 rebuilt and fitted with the Thielert.Then we have the modified office, note the single lever fadeccontrol.The whole thing is very nicely done I think.Image Insert:
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Hunter will be the first operational UAV to be powered by a common rail, direct injection, compression ignition, reciprocating piston engine that uses heavy fuel.
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This Northrope engine is a derivate of Mercedes Smart 3-cylinder turbo diesel,smaller and lighter than Thelert, which is a A-class Mecedes engine derivative.Some companies tried to do such Smart diesel conversions, but oncea big US defence company makes it, sooner or later it'll be availablefor civil aviation...Just my 2 cents....
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There is a Thielert agent here in Oz doing these conversions.With the 172, the factory claims that the range has been increasedfrom 4hrs to 8 ! In the Diamond DA42 twin, with 50% power setting your cruising at 147ktas,TOTAL fuel consumtion 6.7 gph.These things have been road tested by most of the worlds magazinesincluding our own Australian Flying and so far I havent heard anything negative.My own interest in one of these stems from my desire to purchase a property and have my own airstrip. I have to consider my wifes needs tho. She will still need ready access to her Doctorand weekly Pathology and an occasional trip to Townsville Hospital.I dont want to spend most of the day driving back and forth. ( youcan always pick the crook drivers because they have Qld number plates ) I had considered a 2 seat experimental like the Tecnam,which is a delight to fly, but there is no room for my Lorikeet Co-Pilot or groceries. So I like the look of a 172 diesel, whendone up its as good as new and comes at a good price.Then if you consider a diesel GYRO along with the large diesel tractoron the property and 4x4, they can all be fueled from the same tank.Robert DunnMackay. Qld.Growing old is good while it lasts.
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'You can buy a good structually sound Cessna 172 with a timed outengine for around 60K. Have it refurbished inside and out withnew paint and glass also and then with the Thielert fitted youhave an as new aircraft for a bit over Oz200K.'IS THAT Aus$200,000.00?Pete
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Yes Pete.The Euro is at around 60 cents Oz. So if you add that to the price of the 172 and then roughly work outthe price to refurbish the airframe inside and out, I believe thatyou would have a good as new aircraft at a reasonable price considering.There is a bloke over at Moranbah that had his 172 written off by a rental Pilot, so he bought another 172 with the intension of fitting a Thielert engine to it. Before he got around to doing it some dickhead offered him a cheap 180hp engine, which he took instead. He charters the thing so I can understand him taking the cheaper option, but needless to say, I was disapionted.Cheers.Robert DunnMackay. Qld.Growing old is good while it lasts.
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Its going to be dificult to justify spending that amount of money for a gyro motor !!An aircraft ? maybyBrian
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Brian,The prices that I have quoted are for the 172 conversion, totalcost fitted.The bare engine on its own is about 20,000 euro, I understand, withoutthe wiring.I dont know what the price of a Rotax 914 is these days but Ibelieve that they are not cheap either.I dare say that it is an expensive engine to put in a single seatRosco or similer Gyro to just mess about with. But if one were to follow my posts on the subject and understand the type of Gyro that I want for my purposes, it is much much cheaper than a Helicopter, better reliability, longer life and more economical than a petrol engine. Not forgetting that it is 130hp, turbocharged and liquid cooled.If I were to be flying all over the country, one out, using it as an aerial work horse, I think it is worthwhile investigating.The thing weighs 134 kg all up with radiator, plumbing, ducting, fadec, wiring as is fitted straight to the Cessna or Piper.For a Gyro configureation I would not need a great deal of that, soI believe it is feasable.First off tho, I would purchase a 172 and have the conversion doneso as to have first hand knowlage of the thing, and take it from there. If it wasn't suitable for a Gyro I dont consider that I would have wasted my money, as I would still have a mighty fine FW and one purfectly suitable to be used as a shopping buggy !If it comes about I will keep you all posted, eh.Cheers.Robert DunnMackay. Qld.Growing old is good while it lasts.
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