Gyro down Pilot recovering.

[Brian]

I think that a few people have raised some good points. but have missed the fact that I did"t mean to take off & when I did I did what I thought was right in the same position I would have done the same. I went solo in a FW in the same time but as luck would have it nothing went wrong. Ros yes I think so do you know some thing I dontNo one is having a go at you Stuart, I think you have shown a great deal of maturity by giving your side the story so that the incident can be discussed and hopefully, a bit more can be learnt. I respect the fact that it was serious and you have more than paid for your decisions and I for one, feel for you!! To loose just one person from gyros is a disappointment.One of my main points is that no student should

[asra]

DeanStuart specifically requested that I test fly the gyro. I was the only person to test fly it.Ross B

[Disco]

Ross,Bob J was the only person to fly mine (thanks bob) he came back and said it had no vices.

[Brian]

Everyone"s an " expert", specially with gyro"s.Hopefully, that instructor who advised that a horizontal wasn"t necessary will attend the next instructors course so that they can get onto the same page as everyone else. Posted by: boscaInsert QuoteI disagree with a couple of posts in that the initial taxing should be done without rotors.Stupid and it is like taxing without wings.Its unheard of.Kym.Posted on: April 26, 2009, 18:58:22 PMYes, I agree Bosca, very stupid but when you have "stupid" students that think they can fly without doing any groundwork then they need to start at basics, very very basic !!Most gyros are glorified billy carts and anyone who ever had a billy cart and a big hill will understand the need to get

[asra]

There"s a lot of different idea"s and methods about that all work some perhaps better than others, but whatever instructor your training with, his instructions have to be followed to the letter. Try a little bit of everyones idea"s or methods and accidents happen.[The reason they stuffed up wasn"t the wind shear

[Russell]

If students soloed in the actual trainer gyro.........bet the "standard" would be a damn sight higher, cozInstructor wants his gyro back in ONE PIECE.

[Russell]

Forgot...............couple yrs back, i was training a guy at Dysart, Late one evening i decided to send him solo, nice smooth air, everything spot on.Off he goes in me trainer, i"m gasin to him things are going great, then the bleedin winds started to pickup.........could see a storm front headin our way.........i"m calling and calling him, no responce, yip, me radio battery was dead, by now it"s really getin honky tonky, i"m gettin concerned, out onto the strip i go, indicate by flappin me arms about to land the bleedin thing, all i could see was the beemin white teeth, he was havin a ball. In he comes on final..........yikes me machine is sliding sideways........bigtime. Christ i"m thinkin, pull on power, go around..........wind was fair dinkim x strip.Well bugger me he powers on, then comes around again, then does a cross strip landing.........sweet as.6 months later he in his own machine.........landed, taxying along strip.....bleedin roo runs into him, made hell of a mess of the gyro

[asra]

Looks the way to go Russell, apart from the roo.

[Des Garvin]

Aye Mr Russy, Thought you had control of the locals always, letting ya pets on the strip shame on you

[bosca]

A question to all.Why do we not hear of such talk and turmoil in General Aviation?? Is it quality training,professonalism etc ??

[Brian]

A question to all.Why do we not hear of such talk and turmoil in General Aviation?? Is it quality training,professonalism etc ??

[Mark Horan]

My computer has been off the air since big winds on Saturday, This thread is one of the best I have seen for some Time.Good to see Stuart progressing and even better that He seems to still want to fly Gyros....also I agree with Brian, it is good to see that Stuart has enough about him to put in his two bobs worth.There is lots of good discussion on this one and lots of good experience talking sense.Something my wife always tells me, is that we should always have respect for the things that can kill us. (this is always particullarly worrying to me as she knows where I sleep!, and I know she aint talkin Gyro"s)The problem with Gyros is that they look so bloody easy to fly! Slow landing speeds, high manuvreability, Billy cart construction and for the basic model, low purchase price. All these things are what attracts people to wanting to get into gyros.(A heap of crap 40 yr old Cessna still requires a bank loan to purchase)I completly agree that good training is the key to good pilots, but every one would have to agree that most students get in beside an instructor and go for a fly, it is a great way to learn. But I hark back to my training and I remember that every time I went for a session, the weather was fine and the air as smooth as a baby"s. Most instructors are reluctant to train on fairly crappy days...I dont blame them, but for a keen student with a newly bought machine sitting at home in the shed, the time between lessons and the lure of the sky becomes too much to bear with 5 or 6 hours of successful training and a bagfull of man confidence hormones fizzing from somewhere around the front of their bum.An hour training on a thermally, crappy day, would alert the potential pilot that they may not be as good as they think and that the good money they are handing over to the guy in the right hand seat is because thy want to LEARN to fly, not because they already know how.Boscas question about GA and gyros, I would imagine not as many people have the opportunity to buy a cessna off Ebay and take it out of the shed when they feel like it, otherwise there would be alot more news stories about light planes crashing into peoples rooves Mark.

[bosca]

In many cases Cessnas are cheaper than gyros to purchase.Operating expenses for VH is the killer for example 100 hourly and insurances and more so for club operated aircraft.

[Ken Watson]

Hey Kym. Did Robbie teach you to fly. If so we met at Parkes. Ken

[bosca]

Yes I think so Ken.If my memory is correct then we spoke about powering gyros with diesel motors.Peugot in this instance.