Editorial Policy

[asra]

Barry, You must sleep poorly at night, given that somewhere in the wide world someone might have a contrary opinion to yours about the actions of this association.I strongly believe that your actions as web master of this site have not always been in the best interests of the Association. Could you please lift your game?Ted

[birdy]

Your fortunate i'm not in Barry's postion, not sure i'd be so diplomatic.Back when the limits were be'n pushed [ yes, by me to], Baz was get'n flack for not pulln a few into line coz things seemed to be getn outa hand.Buggered if he dose n buggered if he don't.Just do wot you recons best to keep the peace amongst the MAJORITY and within the rules Baz, i'll back ya. One thing you don't have to fear is, no one's guna challenge you for the [ volentering] of the job.Ignorance is bliss............but only till you realise you were.You can always get the answer you want, if you ask enough experts.

[asra]

Well said Birdy and yes I too support the right of Barry and the ASRA officialdom to edit or delete posts if it is deemed (in their minds) to be in our Association's best interest. Most of us posters gain enjoyment as well as knowledge from this forum and sometimes push the limits to our own end. It hurts to get ticked off, but only momentarily.We have a hierarchy in our Association who donate a lot of their personal time. I have no issue with long standing pilots and members pushing their viewpoints as they have earned the right to, but I get annoyed when 'Johny come lately' characters, apparently for their own gratification, try hard to upset the very people who keep our Association alive.Pete

[asra]

A lot of these things are a bit like a turd floating in a dam. Theres always a lot more below the surface than is showing above. And if you don't get it out, it will spoil the water in the whole dam. I'm with Pete. A lot of dedicated, experienced and capable people currently running ASRA and putting a lot of effort into the Association for our benefit. Cut 'em a break.

[bones]

quote:Originally posted by fredjrobertsA lot of these things are a bit like a turd floating in a dam. Theres always a lot more below the surface than is showing above. And if you don't get it out, it will spoil the water in the whole dam. I'm with Pete. A lot of dedicated, experienced and capable people currently running ASRA and putting a lot of effort into the Association for our benefit. Cut 'em a break.That is well put, and whilest i agree with most of what the three posters above has said, the IMPORTANT thing here is consistancey should be shown through out the editing/deleting of posts, and this part,And if you don't get it out, it will spoil the water in the whole dam.I feel is what most of this is about, i for one have been ticked off for about 10 mins over this, though the reason i keep this up is to ensure that this type of stuff doesnt happen again, that is all. By that i mean when all the hoo har from 6 months ago was going on, there were some who got jumped on from a great height(Me) and others who as far as i know, were asked not to do it again. I know that Barry has been seen to be the bad guy here, but in reality he is just the one who has been handed the loaded gun(the new policy) and told to use it, and probably hard, by the board, and no one else from the board has been forth coming in helping to explain the problems, and i feel that this silence from other members of the board is what is fueling the fire.I for one because i hadnt been on here for so long wasnt even aware of the new policy, and so when my post got pulled, i wanted to know why???Take what you like from this post its just my 2 cents worth..[]

[asra]

[asra]

Mark, on the 9th of Decemeber 2005, I sent out an e-mail to the 850 odd members of this forum notifying them of the new policy and included a link to it. As you are registered on this forum twice (bones and bones070) I am somewhat surprised you did not receive a copy however, I in turn receieved 93 return mail failures which indicate the e-mail address does not exist for that member. I have not completly deciphered them as yet and even removed the member from the database if necessary as this does take quite some time but I do not see a return from either of the e-mail addresses you have which would indicate to me you did receive the notification. You are obviously aware of the policy now and if you did not receive the notification, please accept my apologise.Barry Ferguson,ASRA Webmaster

[asra]

Mark, I have just checked the return e-mail list and neither of your e-mail addresses are included.The message was:ASRA Web Site and Forum Editorial Policy There is a new ASRA Forum Policy Agreement in place for newly registered members to this forum. Since those current members will not have seen this, I have included the link http://www.asra.org.au/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1476 for you to veiw on the ASRA Information and News forum. This policy becomes effective immediately.Thankyou for your participation.Are you sure you didn't receive this?Barry Ferguson,ASRA Webmaster

[bones]

As far as i remember no, dont recall seeing it..

[asra]

Barry are you telling us that John's post, that Bones has pointed out to you, does not breech section 10 of the forum policy?Ted

[asra]

You two sound like a couple of kinder kids. You've made your point and it's neither educational nor interesting. Stop pontificating for your own grandeur and just pull your heads in and conform for the good of this forum and our Association.Pete

[asra]

Pete,I see you don't get it Pete do you. The issue here is that the forum administrator has been found to be not applying the forum policy across the board. I accept that the Board has a policy, in fact at the Coolangatta board meeting I spoke in favour of the concept when the issue was raised.The board needs to revisit this issue fully and ask itself the following questions;Is the policy workable and can we effectively police the issues?Following blindly like a member of the flock may be acceptable to you Pete, but I think that attitude is poor at best.

[asra]

Originally posted by Ted EgglestonPete,I see you don't get it Pete do you. The issue here is that the forum administrator has been found to be not applying the forum policy across the board. Sorry Ted. What you mean is that you reckon that the forum administrator has been found etc.... Enough has been said by others to convince me that everyone gets a warning (provided they make their details available for contact). Enough has also been said by others to convince me that they have taken the hint and pulled their horns in. Enough has been said by Barry to convince me that a lot more has gone on here than meets the eye (hence the little analogy about the turd in the dam). Given that I am one of the hardest men to convince of anything ( I've had a wife or two that will attest), and the fact that I'm convinced probably means that the bulk of the rest of the forum is also convinced that this has developed into a beat up. I watch the forum so that I can read of other flyers experiences (bad as well as good, to avail myself of the collective wisdom of the more experienced flyers, and to get the odd chuckle and entertainment from the likes of Nick and Birdy. If I want to listen to "bitchin' and moaning", I can stay at home.As Pete "suggested", why don't we get back to forum type issues?

[asra]

And Ted if you want to continue your mission, do it privately by email to whoever you want, but not here.Pete

[asra]

Fred, There are few people who think Barry isn't being even handed in his approach, All we are asking is that the forum policy be applied across the board. You mentioned about warnings, and this is a good point. Why doesn't the administrator send a warning asking people to edit their post. I'm confident Bones would have done so. So too I believe would have John, but this has not occurred.No one is making you read these posts, however I believe that there is an issue here and until the board indicates that they will apply the policy across the board I will stand up for what I think is wrong. It is a very good example of democracy, of having the opportunity to stand up for a point of view. If you don't want to be proactive that's your choice.Ted