Monarch Flys

[asra]

[]The Monarch with floats looks great!, but it also makes me Quiver!!!!For a few years now the gyro communitee has now come to term with CLT, and horizontal stabalizers, and how they works to make our aircraft more pitch stable.I will admit I am new to gyro's but by placing 2 large floats so far below the thrust line, will it not lower the drag line bellow the thrust line, therefore making it behave similar in flight to a typical high thrust line machine.So the Monarch's CLT is thrown out the door, the H.S and all flying rudder would probably be to small to handle their new tasks.[?].The above is only theory and open to debate !!!

[asra]

I have advised Alan to turn the rudder on the "Dragon Fly" upside down and put it UNDER the keel.This will give him an efective water rudder and when airborn will revert back to its original intention.Readers please dont worry about the drag on the floats,i have desinged them to be of greater lift(at speeds above 50 knots)than the rotor.At or above this speed the rotor is mechanicaly slowed to 100 rpm's and the floats tilted in two axis to provide directional control.Of course this means the aircraft is no longer a GYRO and Alan will have to get a fixed wing ultralight licence but im sure there will be no problems.[)]M Barker

[asra]

The breathtaking technological advances you guys are making leave me speechless with admiration[^]John EvansThink logically and do things well, think laterally and do things better.

[asra]

[]Murray this is very interesting. I have herd of this being aplied by another gyro called the CarterCopter which slow the rotor to acheive faster speeds, but they do employ small wings to produce the needed lift lost from the slowed rotor, and aid control in the roll axis.I still beleive the rudder would need to be increased to aid in aerodynamic stability. I have seen some water bourne trikes employ fins mounted on the ends of the floats to acheive this.One way to check this is to use the old method of taking a side photo of the aircraft, cutting the photo out, then balancing it on the edge of a ruler and compare the center of pressure to the center of gravity, if it balances behind the teeter bolt the machine is stable.As to moving the floats to acheive 2 axis control, and lift, I must say good luck and look forward to the end results.[?]

[asra]

Yes the Carter Copter people are doing somthing similar,Alan was interogated on one of his trips to the US some time ago and we now think that it was them and they have copied our ideas.Make no mistake readers we are still at the forfront of gyro technology.Alans also thinking of floats for the RAF but no one makes them big enough.M Barker

[Waddles]

Gidday Sam,Welcome to the fascinating world of gyros and experts thereof.We were aware of the potential centre of mass problem, and looked at another config as well.Image Insert: 70.54

[birdy]

And to think some one told me that you were go'n to let me take your bird for a lap Alan.......fat chance now.[}][]Ignorance is bliss............but only till you realise you were.

[asra]

Whatsamatta Birdy, your courage deserted you in the face of this groundbreaking [?? waterbreaking] technology. I had hoped with Murray's railway experience they would at least fit a 'cowcatcher'like you see on old locomotives.I am also very concerned about what the Sparks and Wildfires people are going to say about the persistant persecution of pelicans.John EvansThink logically and do things well, think laterally and do things better.

[asra]

Alan, I have those snow ski's you ordered for the Gyro to use at Cooma.I'll leave them at the hanger.Birdy,You may be just the person we are looking for to evaluate all our modifications.M Barker

[Tim]

Allan, you may also need to fit fog lights for those early morning operations at Cooma. Should be clear once you get above it.Tim McClure

[Ken Watson]

Lake Jindabyne won't be the same. Ever thought of water skiing behind it, tow a net and catch some fish. You blokes are truly amazing and at the forefront of technology. I now know that the Vespa will fly. I like this thread because I can feel one leg getting longer. Ken.P.S. do you think you could tow a gyro glider behind it so that instruction would be closer to reality? The answer is 42.

[Tim]

Ken, you been eating your smart pills?Tim McClure

[asra]

There should be no problem water skiing behind it.The only thing you would have to watch out for is if the skier fell off you would loose drag instantly and the machine may pitch up dramaticaly.I think you would be better of using a more stable machine that you can lock the stick and the thing will stay strait,but no such machine exist's in OZ.M Barker

[asra]

[]Murray try Float Tech. RE. large floats for the RAF. They have a wealth of experience in this area, and were involved with Australia 2's design and construction of its winged keel, maybe you could try incorporating one on each float to produce the extra lift lost below 50kt. These would also aid with any centre of pressure problems caused by the RAF's large cabin & lift the aircraft out of the water reducing surface drag on takeoff.Hope this Helps!!!! Regards Sam. [] Image Insert: 9.23 KB

[asra]

Thanks Sam, Yep two of those should easily lift a RAF!! I'll contact them strait away.I'll contact Firebird Paul as well,he may want to add this to the list of options for his highbrid.I can see worldwide interest in this.M Barker