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I would urge all you Aussies to have a look in the off topic thread of the American Rotorcraft Forum.I do not recall ever seeing a poll in any aviation forum before diccussing banning one of the contributers.What makes this one troublesome is there are a rather high persentage of the posters who are voting for banning me and the thing just started. What exactly does this say? Either I am one of the most disliked strangers to a group who profess to be flying entusiasts or there is another seperate agenda driven by an identifiable sector of said group.Have a look it is really interesting.Chuck E.
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Hi Chuck. don't get too upset with the poll. That should show you what people do think of the way you operate on the US forum. I see it as a posative for you. I voted for you to be nicer to people, which is the largest vote. There are a few that would ban you completely, BUT only a few. You are quite rude and obusive SOMETIMES, but only sometimes. So don't let it get to you.Aussie Paul. [
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Hi Paul,How's things going?Naw, don't worry about me getting unduly upset with the poll, it's just rather strange reading it.Chuck
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Chuck,It sounds to me as if you are too much like us Aussies, we put **** on each other all the time and think nothing of it, yet most of you seppos are busy brown nosing to each other all the time trying to score brownie points, nice to see someone going against the grain.You can always gas bag on this forum, I've not felt any urges to visit the yank forum for years.Cheers,Nick.
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The Popular Front?
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Yes, I had a look and was a bit surprised by some of the attacks on you there Chuck. I'm not sure that telling Ben that you would take him on is a wise move, he's probably the dead opposite of his "alias" [The Undertaker of WWE fame]but a softer approach might be better.There are plenty of ignorant people out there. I'm one of them but I'm trying to learn !Yep, its a funny feeling reading what people say about you and seeing a poll being taken to see how many people hate your intestines !!You never know how far you can go, till you get there !
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[EDIT]With a cooler head I decided to delete this post. There's no sense looking for trouble when it will find me without help anyhow...Chuck, too many of the older guys, no offence, have already disappeared from the Yank forum. Hang around and keep the newbies honest.
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Hi again pwendell :Yeh there are some really strange people on the American site, and I tend to get real short and to the point with some of them..However there is another side to my obvious frustration with these guys and that is because in the world of aviation in which I work I would not be employed unless I were liked and respected by the people who hire my services........All of my clients are very intelligent wealthy businessmen who can afford multi million dollar playtoys.All...I repeat "all" my business comes from referral based on satisfaction from the previous client.Regardless of how skilled a pilot is do you think that the very rich would recommend someone who was arrogant or difficult to get along with?The only problem that I have with most of my clients is if I happen to mention that I fly gyroplanes, almost without exception they look at me as if I were joking, they almost without exception ask me why I would fly in something so dangerous and how in hell can I be involved with that group?Maybe some of the people who are giving me such a tough time are the mindset that gives the gyro group such a bad image.....??I also read the amazing admission posted by one of the regulars who tear into me about flying in weather that was down right dangerous, without the qualifications to do so....that was even dumber than bragging about doing high G load low level turns to scare his passenger....sad, sad.Anyhow I guess I might as well just stay out of the Rotorcraft Forum for a while because it is a no win for me and all I manage to do is keep the flames of ignorance burning bright by giving the neandertal's a target to shoot at..But I will hang in here from time to time because this group are a different breed altogether.I can't remember having a better group to work with than the Aussies I flew with several years ago in Portugal.Chuck E.
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don't bother, chuck, i am on the verge to quit the US forum which seems to be hijacked by PRA executives for only the benefit of PRA, which is counter productive.salutations []André Martin.Québec; CANADA.
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Quadrirotor :Yeh, the U.S. Forum can be a little inbred with good old boys taking their advice from guys who brag about being idiots when it comes to flying, one of their leading experts was bragging about flying a single engine airplane in such crap weather he had to climb up through cloud to get on top, he sees nothing wrong with being in IMC without an IFR flight plan and no clearance to be there. To bad they didn't nail him and suspend his license before he kills someone.Many years ago one of my friends and his co-pilot died in a C46 when they were hit head on by some f.ckin moron climbing up through cloud without any IFR flight plan...it was before the days of transponders and Detroit Center did not see the Aztec on radar before the two airplanes hit each other.That is one of the reasons I have great difficulty discussing safety with some of the good old boys on the U.S. forum.From what is being discussed about me now seems that Steven Kozned thinks I'm slumming on the Australian forum....But hey, you just got to love all this B.S. [
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The hypocrisy shown by several regular posters when attacking me personally is stunning and has now taken on a life of its own on the U.S. forum.I checked their qualifications and found what was to be expected in a group of gyro pilots, however what I can't understand is the deliberate smearing of facts by some of the more self righteous of their group...This latest one is a glaring example of downright dishonest missrepersentation of facts." Supremely negative rantings from a predominantly fixed wing pilot do the opposite. Credibility and respect is lost. Positive, informative posts pique everyone's interest, but bitterly negative posts bring out the worst in readers, is self defeating for the poster and and does a terrible disservice to this world-wide forum, and our beloved sport in general. _Steven Kozned, Belmont, California "This person keeps trying to make the point that I should stick to fixed wing aircraft as my experience level in rotorcraft is not worth taking into consideration.I have been a Commercial Helicopter Pilot since 1964 flying helicopters from light single piston engine to heavy lift twin engine turbine S61's in the heli logging business, as well I have held a U.S. Commercial Gyroplane Pilot License since 1993....I can ignore personal dislikes based on style in delivery, I find constantly trying to smear someone by making false and misleading statements to be the height of hypocrisy.I have finally gotten to the point that I am going to hit back at this group of people and use my contacts in the Aviation Magazine business to publish a piece that will examine why "some" gyroplane pilots are seen to be not in step with the rest of the aviation community, I feel the general flying public should read the U.S. gyro forum and get a better view of how it all works.If this group thinks that I am detremintal to Gyro flying then I may as well use my talent to take a good hard look at their sport. It is my intention to have a talk with several of my contacts in Europe who publish aviation magazines and get this group some exposure beyond their forum.I have lost all intrest in being associated that group.That is only fair.Here is another example of the mindset that seems to be admired on The U.S. forum posted to day.Look at some of the deaths in RAF's. Alot of those people were extremely high time, multi ratings, airline captains. And they couldn't fly a gyroplane. I know several people that have never flown anything before in their lives and yet they learned how and still do fly gyroplanes with no stabs. My point??? a pocket full of ratings doesn't mean as much as some might think. Just my two cents!Ron Awad - Private Pilot SELPresident PRA chapter 13Eaa Member, Pra MemberNow just imagine that one of these people who were killed in those RAF's was your father or husband or a family member and you read this guy posting such an opinion without mentioning that some of these dead pilots were trained on their RAF's and considered safe to fly those RAF's by gyro flight instructors some of whom may have been RAF approved instructors.Would you not be enraged to see such comments about your loved one having not had the smarts to fly a gyroplane??Yeh, Im a disgrace to aviation but the mindset that can post these musings is A.O.K. and beneficial to the sport......Chuck E.
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G'Day Chuck,I'd like to make a couple of points. Firstly, I agree with you on the Raf issue and understand your passion to educate the unwary as to the dangers associated with Raf factory configured gyros. I did my training in a Raf with a stab after researching gyros and was tentative to say the least. Presently doing hops in my Butterfly, hope to solo soon.Your last post is a good one and makes your position very clear. However, I'd like to ask you to perhaps look at other possibilites for 'hitting back'. More bad publicity about gyro's and gyro pilots will not change what Raf do or what some of the pilots are doing or saying.You would be aware that large inroads have been made into gyro stability issues with 'New Generation' designs, some of which have been around since day dot and more recently over the last 10 years or so, with a return to sensible design and construction. As you said yourself, you have "lost all interest in being associated with this group". OK. The bad publicity will not help our little group and will of course be noted by some CASA official and then on and on it goes.I on the other hand, would welcome articles/advice on all manner of aviation topics from experienced pilots such as yourself, which serve to educate, rather than berate those who it seems really need to be educated. I've enjoyed learning from you off of the Yank Forum, I would hope that this would continue, at least here on our forum. Seems to me, that 3/4's of the rotary forum are keen for you to continue also.Keep it positive Chuck.Best regards,Mitch.www.thebutterfly.info
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Yeh Chuck,don't be a sook mate.Take it on the chin and keep post'n.It's only a handful of eagotistical d*ckheads that complain bout you style.Your not go'n to let that beat you are ya??Ignorance is bliss............but only till you realise you were.
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" However, I'd like to ask you to perhaps look at other possibilites for 'hitting back'. More bad publicity about gyro's and gyro pilots will not change what Raf do or what some of the pilots are doing or saying. "Of course you are correct Greg, and I as a life long professional pilot would never really do something to injure the reputation of a whole group of people based on the actions of a few.What you see in my recent posts is anger and frustration when reading the apparent hatred shown towards me by so many people on a world wide read aviation forum ...remember I like all normal people feel real anger when trapped in a no win situation and no matter what I write things just get worse.Several years ago I went to Bensen days and met many of the people in the gyro group, and felt part of the group.M.J. suggested today that I attend Bensen days this year, can you imagine how I would feel knowing that some of their most popular members detest me to such an extent that they went to the trouble of trying to vote me out of an internet forum....I can handle most things in aviation including being shot at in war zones flying airplanes for a living, but I just could not handle this kind of no win situation.I will be leaving for Holland on March 17th to start a new season in the airdisplay group, of all the thousands and thousands of people who watch and enjoy what our group do to provide entertainment and keep aviation interesting for the general public I never ran across such bitter hatred ever.So for me I can't imagine ever getting involved in flight training using gyroplanes knowing in the background there is so much animosity towards me just because I seem to be different in their narrow minds.Anyhow I will probably mellow with time and do appreciate all you guys and of course the privelage of chatting on the Aussie forum. At least the owner of this forum has not made it clear that I am unwanted like has happened on the U.S. one.Until later... and once again Greg thanks.Hi Birdy....naw I ain't really going to let it bother me , but there is no way you or anyone else would go back knowing that the owner of the forum has made it clear that I am ruining his forum....I should never have posted after being banned, I knew by the tone of his e-mails to me that I was screwed as far as he is conserned......but this forum needs posters to make it grow...so I'll stay here.Remember we have internet in Europe also and I can post from there.Nice talking to you again.Chuck E
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Chuck,Despite the physical ownership, who actually owns the forum?My answer would be the posters, if you're one of them, you make it happen as do other posters. You can own a forum all you like, but unless people put the posts on it, what is it then ...... nothing.I've had moments when I've wondered why I bother posting at this forum, but I measure my contribution by my intent and the physical outcome of the posting, not by the reactions of others, these days I don't let it trouble me any. My figuring is that if just one person is saved some distress, then the posting is worth it, no matter what perturbations it causes. What I have posted may not be of such great consequence as, eg, Ross Bannerman's posting of his misadventure with a set of delaminating rotor blades, but I do feel I have posted some bits that have influenced the safety and enjoyment of our craft.Hope this helps,Nick.
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