ASRA vs RAAUS

[bones]

As we (gyros) don"t have commercial licences, are instructors actually (legally) allowed to make profit in charging for their service...and hence would any insurance company want a bar of it...?

[asra]

Thanks Bones...detected a little personal attack there...but that"s Ok you"re passionate, which is great....unless of course when say YOU, you mean everyone who has posted on the topic.

[bones]

Kieth no attack on my part either, i reread the post of mine and i still cant see where your referring to,,, but anyway i was just trying to make it understood, its not that, we only do half a job and say bugger of and fly, it alot of personal money tied up in the training craft, the instructors personal money, and we cant get decent insurance to cover it.

[asra]

Understood....glad we got that sorted...LOL

[tonydenton]

whats with insurance anyway.

[Brian]

Insurance is a proving a major headache Tony, Paul Campbell [ASRA] has been chasing up every insurance company and lead know and all have drawn blanks to date. As Bones says, just getting hull insurance is dificult and costly enough.

[tonydenton]

yes brian i realise that , could it be done that asra cover it .

[Brian]

yes brian i realise that , could it be done that asra cover it .

[tonydenton]

thanks brian, i was fortunate enough to solo in the instructors single as i hadn"t finished building mine. a gentleman"s agreement that if i bent it i paid for it. must of did 5 or 6 hours in total in it. god i miss the old days. i think they are gone for ever now. i can see that insurance could help some one thou.

[Brian]

Its a "funny" situation [not funny at all really] but we have the situation where I believe the MTO /ELA [i] are gyros that an instructor should be able to solo a student in without the student stuffing up...because they are just so easy a gyro to fly however both these gyros are $80 thou gyros versus a single seater, basic that if the student bends it, probably $10 to $ 15 would rebuild it.To go back to FW training days, I soled at 7 hours in a Piper Tomahawk, chances of stuffing up ? virtually nil given the fact that the piper is even eaier to fly than say a MTO [ground handlin in particular]. Not sure what the insurance premiums were but I would say they were cheaper than a gyro equavalent given the amount of hours flown to accidents. If I remember rightly the tomahawk had over 10,000 hours without incident. Excellent instructor young Jack Funnel I might add and I doubt any student could catch him out, such is his judgement of pilots.A bit of a side story, I did see Jack fail a regional airline pilot in instrument renewal one day , cheif pilot come over to see what the go was as he needed said failed pilot to fly the evening run back to Melbourne. Jack told him to get failed pilot up to standard before he sent him over again

[chook]

Chopper, what is the current Australian breakdown of hours? Chook.

[Brian]

Chopper, what is the current Australian breakdown of hours? Chook.Good question Chook. I will have to find that out as I might quote the wrong figure.

[dineshkkk]

I"ll ask the question of the board Tony and see what the response is.Insurance is tricky and one problem with insurance is that you never really know till you make a claim, just how good the insurance company is.Reid, was this taken up with the Board - if so any resolution.

[Brian]

Sorry, I have been a bit slack here, and havent followed up on the question of breakdown of hours. :-[I doubt ASRA would get involved in buying gyros and facilitating sales or umpiring when something turned to mush as the board has enough to do as it is.Unfortunately, a student needs to have a gyro he can fly once he gets his licence as unlike FW, you cant rent gyros [if a member wanted to get involved in renting out, that would be fine] Plus you really need to be able to get a few hours up in that first 12 months otherwise your flying skill will deteriotate and the likelyhood of an accident is increased.BTW, insurance looks as far away as east is from west at the moment despite many inquiries and promises.

[dineshkkk]

I doubt ASRA would get involved in buying gyros and facilitating sales or umpiring when something turned to mush as the board has enough to do as it is.Unfortunately, a student needs to have a gyro he can fly once he gets his licence as unlike FW, you cant rent gyros [if a member wanted to get involved in renting out, that would be fine] Plus you really need to be able to get a few hours up in that first 12 months otherwise your flying skill will deteriotate and the likelyhood of an accident is increased.BTW, insurance looks as far away as east is from west at the moment despite many inquiries and promises.Reid, to avoid any personal liability for others acts, I was proposing that the student will buy the machine carrying all the responsibility as a owner.