MT to Xenon comparisons off the USA forum.

[PTKay]

I am 55 years old businessman, scientist, engineer and programmer.I am no kid or freak.I tried to share with you my personal decision, after 8 years of lurkingon these forums, doing my PPL, flying FW before doing an educated decisionwhich gyro to train in and eventually which should I buy.My choice is Xenon.Take it, or leave it, but my arguments are:1. I want to survive, Xenon has zero death rate.I don"t care why! I believe it"s more resistant against pilot error, and in case of incident/accident gives better pilot protection.2. I want enclosed, heated, big, side to side cabin with luggage space.there is effectively no competition on the market. M24 is cramped, Calidus is a toy, no room even for pilots,Cruza is not offered in Europe 3. I want a factory build machine. I have no time or skills to build my own machine.Stop this stupid mud slinging and get to facts.Like Birdy says: "horses for courses".

[Greg Mitchell]

No thats fine i can understand that, especially the way i was treated the last time i tried to ring you.Bones I dont for the life of me rememeber ever treating you poorly on the phone. We are friends and I cant recall a harsh word said by either of us to the other, so I am going to ring you now and find out what the fly shyte is going on with you.Mitch.

[GraemeMonro]

Bones I dint for the life of me remember ever treating you poorly on the phone. We are friends and I cant recall a harsh word said by either of us to the other, so I am going to ring you now and find out what the fly s$%^&*s is going on with you.Mitch.No you don"t approach the person directly Mitch, it seems we are meant to put a skirt on and run and tell tales and complain to admin.Approaching the person directly will get you nowhere.Graeme.

[jeff b]

Hi,Autogyro Germany advised Autogyro Australia this week that there are 950 MT"s flying. Getting pretty close to the 1000 estimate.They also advised that the Calidus has one of those special hammers in the cockpit to "Break canopy in Emergency". Jeff.

[maulonir]

Hi,Autogyro Germany advised Autogyro Australia this week that there are 950 MT"s flying. Getting pretty close to the 1000 estimate.They also advised that the Calidus has one of those special hammers in the cockpit to "Break canopy in Emergency". Jeff. Jeff,That hammer must be really special if it will break a lexan canopy.Rob ???

[PTKay]

Hi,Autogyro Germany advised Autogyro Australia this week that there are 950 MT"s flying. Getting pretty close to the 1000 estimate.Is this a joke, or are you serious?Please get us the serial numbers of the machines recently delivered.Then subtract the number of airframes losses (destroyed beyond repair),then those abandoned and not flown any more.If we are then above 500, I will be sincerely surprised. They also advised that the Calidus has one of those special hammers in the cockpit to "Break canopy in Emergency". Is this a joke again?An emergency hammer in a bus or a car can be used to smashtempered glass, which then falls apart in small crystals andyou can easily push it out without any injuries.In case of lexan canopy, you can hammer on it as long as you wish,and it will hardly develop any cracks or let you push out the whole thing.This case of "Break Canopy in Emergency" is a typical case of how theGerman association responsible for safety treats a known safety flaw by a German manufacturer. Don"t fix it, put a hammer in the cockpit and a placard.An this is their reaction to several heavy injuries.

[jeff b]

G"day boys,That"s the info given. I"ll try and find out some more about the Calidus canopy. I"m flying to Manilla on the way to Temora, so I can have a good look and discussion on the Calidus. I did get to fly the Calidus in Germany recently and it was very nice in that regard. Jeff.

[PTKay]

Hi Jeff,sorry, if I was to fast in some opinions.

[jeff b]

Paul,The removable pins on the hinge is an excellent idea! I"ll be sure to pass that onto Autogyro when I visit.Need not re-invent the wheel.Regards,Jeff.

[Thomas]

I have been thinking about the original question Xenon comparison MTO or Calidus.I have seen the Xenon flighing in France in 2009 i believe it is a very well build maschine inside and out.Personally i am looking at the xenon or cruzer at the differentway. You can not compare a family car with a sport,s cruiser.I use my mto a lot for fishing, hunting and camping and of curse some sightseeing.In many places in the Kimberley there is only limited space to get off the ground.I have been flying a number off other gyros before but nothing is coming close to the takeoff performens and cruise speed than a mto. Most pilots in this type can get the wheel off the ground in less than 80 meters an that is on a bad day with no head wind!The Xenon is 15% heavier than the mto and the cruzer even more and when you watch them taking off it is easy to see the weight differens.But not everyone needs to be airborne in less than 100 meters and i except that.So way have we got so many fatal incidence in the mto,s.I have been reading a bit in the German and English forum.Gyrocopter are very new to them because regulation in the country dit not allow them to operate(especially germany)so there are a lot of novice pilots with a lot off money and no flighing experience.I know of 4 accidents where this applys.

[Disco]

Flipping a gyo is easy and happens quite often.It is a non-event, if you are in open frame, even sittingon a fuel tank.But to be trapped in a closed canopy with a fuel leakis something I would be very happy to avoid.

[PTKay]

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[asra]

Hi PTKayImagine if someone could design a gyro thats carbonfibre enclosed pod would protect you on rollover. Which would still allow the occupants to escape if sitting on its side. Which had no fuel in the cabin compartment, and its fuel cell and engine bay was segregated by a metal fire wall. Now wouldn"t that would be good

[GraemeMonro]

Hi PTKayImagine if someone could design a gyro thats carbonfibre enclosed pod would protect you on rollover. Which would still allow the occupants to escape if sitting on its side. Which had no fuel in the cabin compartment, and its fuel cell and engine bay was segregated by a metal fire wall. Now wouldn"t that would be good

[Des Garvin]

Probably look ugly though.Graeme.Stop looking in the mirror then.