Inductions.

[blakemorem]

The world of litigation, WH&S and inductions has gone out of control. Licensing renewal (some were life time at own expense now government register renewal) is one thing but even when you have a national white or blue card you also have contractor inductions and site specific meaning you could be doing 20 plus inductions per year and they are pretty much all the same. IS THIS A MONEY GRAB, AND WHY CAN"T THE INDUCTION CERTIFICATION BE NATIONALIZED. It would be ok to do one site specific induction but with my work you go to many sites and sooo many inductions it"s ridiculous. Especially considering that general inductions all look the same and you do them every one to three years, with the exception of nominated 5 year if you pay extra. Considering the fact that I studied up to 365 hours night school (TAFE) for one license and if i let it 5 year renewal Exp i loose it how does that work. Other licenses i paid thousands for and did the course and passed exam for life license originally is now a gov reg license 5 year renewal and once again if i let it expire i will loose it. It"s fairly obvious it"s not about accreditation it"s about MONEY....I had my ***** now guys thanks for you time, i feel better now,back to inductions.Mike.

[birdy]

.??????Certifications, inductions, WH&S, licencing, register, renewal, site specific, expire, TAFE, litigation......... .Wot hell is all this stuff?

[blakemorem]

Yeah where is it gunna go too i"ve noticed signs on farms now with public liability. Looking at this does that mean i have to do a SWMS or JSA, do i have to do an induction with the farm owner. I should have public liability insurance too. At the moment I"m getting inducted out of my job as i"ve had a gut full and may be going to the mines AAAAGH more inductions but hopefully not as many. Oh then a medical, may get a free A!!se probe while i"m at it. Ya see most times you get away with SH!T happens but if there is a fatality on ya turf and there is a Corona inquiry...GONE they will get ya for something and solicitors will represent you, may cost ya house though they probably don"t want you to know about that you"d cover yourself. You only need to see the most pathetic claims on TV but ya gotta spend money to defend ya self. INSURANCE yeah that costs money too but they have good defense teams may save some sleep.Mike.

[blakemorem]

Could ya imagine the boys in the army say Iraq. TAKE COVER... yeah hang on hang on i"m still doing my SWMS and JSA. Nearest emergency evacuation point...Has anyone done a vehicle travel safety plan... who"s gunna do the tool box meeting...where"s the first aid kit and fire extinguisher...any one done an equipment inspection log...have we got a current public liability insurance certificate...are we inducted on this site. Do we need to erect safety signage and public exclusion zones. On and on it goes about 12 pages per doc now... every body has to name n sign it about 3 times too. A good hour of it before you get to work. Oh that"s right almost forgot TAKE COVER.Mike.

[mad max]

I sympathise with you Mike. Our world"s gone mad. Thank christ I"ve retired. I bet the Russian"s don"t have all this crap. Suppose it"s leaching into NZ. The kiwi"s usually hold back the sliding crap a lot longer than most. :-

[blakemorem]

Yeah and then there"s the poor Ukrainian civilian that"s just had their house blown to pieces by a 50mm tank round, Who"s he gunna call Maurice and Blackburn, "WE FIGHT FOR FAIR", yeah as long as you have the money. Ya see it"s all crap really. I gotta get back to the bush it"s the only sane refuge these days. I recon a couple of years mine construction rigging sell up and find a shady tree, Christ i hope it don"t have one of those public liability signs nailed to it.Mike.

[chook]

Mike you can thank the yanks for this nonsense with their litigious approach and our eagerness to follow blindly.Back in the old days when people did apprenticeships and proper training to cover the dangerous components of their employment everything seemed to rock along just fine.In my last 8 years of telecommunication contracting I refused to bid for Telstra work - their loss. Voda and Optus were reasonable. In fact Telstra charged for their induction and were the only ones to do so. FU%^EM.And what simply amazed me was as

[blakemorem]

Yeah Chook and guess what i"m the Mobiles contracting too this could have been guessed cause we seem to be the most hammered by inductions and yeah back in apprentice days you"d hang onto mains a couple of times a year then as ya get older some ego gets replaced with some experience and self preservation and i don"t know how i"d handle a 240v slapping these days. Any way it seems that the stupidity rules are written for all now no experience required. I just noticed another induction come thru today about another 10 modules of the SAME Sh!t different company,looks like i"m getting inducted outa me job. I just hope the mines are a bit more realistic. The strange think in yank land is i don"t think they get as hammered with as much wh&s are we becoming over legislated. And strange you mention dangerous goods exp ticket that truck recently loaded with fertilizer exploded this has happened numerous times before in freight accidents do we have a learning problem. Maybe a freight train end carriage so if it goes up no harm to any one/driver. There have been warehouses and trucks in America with catastrophic accidents, is it an exceptable risk or are not learning anything. Now batteries, yeah i was told how some telstra fella dumped flooded lead acid batts in a creek and bring on the policies thankfully we have AGM and gell cells. Mike.

[birdy]

I gotta get back to the bush it"s the only sane refuge these days. Sno better ere, if your stupid enuf to let these brain cells call the shots.The boss ( Liz) just got back from a chemical handlen corse, 3 f***n days, just so she could get a pice of paper that says she can get 1080 and lay dog baits.Talk bout justifyn their taxpayer funded positions.The baitn part was 3 hours.The rest of the 3 days was cotton wool crap.And of corse, they threatn audits on everyone, maken sure youv got the realy dangerous stuff like break fluid, diesel, mortiene, engine oil, airoguard is all kept ina lockable enclosure.Well, come on out Mr auditer bloke, bet you dont get past the first gate, the most dagerous bit.

[blakemorem]

Yeah Birdy I"m hearing ya we have MSDS on everything we carry in the vehicles yeah like SUNSCREEN...lordy give me a break. WD-40 such dangerous stuff...apparently. wonder how i survived my childhood of undoing those rusty bolts. Now if there was an MSDS on the oxy acetylene and a procedure on how to shove it up the old victa carby and get it ring its bolts out it may have been handy. Oh then the start ya ******* or ero start

[MadMuz]

In the year or 2 before I left Canberra, the gun shops were not allowed to sell gun powder.... no smokeless, no black, nothing.... they could sell brass, primers and projectiles.... but no form of propellant

[WEST OZ FLYER]

OH&S is the biggest pile of s@#t known to man. Problem with this country is everyone has allowed the minority to justify their jobs, thus pushing this b@#$%^&t upon us. I was talking to an excavator operator from a big civil contractor about politics on earthmoving job sites. Being that I was down the new marina site operating an excavator at that time, we were taking about the stupidity of the rules required for the sites and both agreed that if everybody was responsible for their own actions and had abit of forward thinking, 98% of the liability problems would be taken care of.Then he proceeded to tell me that him and another operator were doing stage two of a major government infrastructure. All the services where marked out on the ground with paint and as stage one was only build two years prior everyone believed that the plans were accurate. In the beginning there was nothing there so they had blank canvas to start with. Anyways a long story short the other operator was digging his happily trench when he seen something odd in the hole. He knew that there was 125,000 volt under ground power but it was marked as being in a different place both on the plans and painted on the ground. He stayed in his machine and called for assistance. After some deliberation they decided to shut the power off as a precautionary and investigate. It seems that he had hit the 125,000 volt line power line damaging the outer insulation and insulation on one wire. Two more millimetres and they would have been sweeping him out of the cab.Apparently it seems that 250 metres out is accurate enough for digging around high voltage power.How is it possible to get it so wrong?

[tonydenton]

and the government big wigs have got the hyde to stand up and say the aust defence force manufactures are not competitive enough to build ships and subs anymore, holy **** Sherlock really???? and did you and your fat ass have to go overseas on a gov funded fact finding tour to work that out and, and, bloody and still can"t work out friggen" why we are not competitive. .

[MadMuz]

Yeah, and when the big wigs blame the operator to cover their own a$$es, it is highly likely that the operator will never work as such again, it will get on some record somewhere that the operator is incompetent or something :

[blakemorem]

Yeah Muz i"ve actually seen and heard of it. It"s called SINK A SUBBIE, it actually happens. When the Goal Coast highway was built, one of the equipment operators over heard a conversation at the site office whilst washing his hands before having his lunch. The project managers were bragging about sinking a subbie one of many. What happened apparently was he was forced to cut green concrete because of time restraints and then after it was stuffed he wore the repair cost then he lost the trucks and machinery with the debt. The feller telling me Red was his name was furious about it and put the word out about the project managers. Don"t know what happened to these psychopaths but it happens a lot. The Gov even holds out on payment another feller Brian lost his business and house and missus and was $150 000 in the red with labour cost alone big contracts are dangerous, you can become a sacrificial goat or simply not paid and your F@#ked either way. If you can get thru the WHS puzzle you ain"t out of the woods yet industry can be bent, dishonest, manipulative, Better get a lawyer son, Better get a real good one. There"s more but you get the idea contracting is dangerous the bigger you get the harder ya fall. Then there"s the tax man these cantractors change their name and hide in the bush. HA HA....Moon river... Mike.