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    Hi,As a new member to the forum, I have s few questions that you may be able to help with, to start with:I see ads and references to gryocopters being suitable for aerial photography, mustering, power line checking etc. I also understand that in general (fixed wing and helicopter aviation) aviation that any pilot undertaking such activities needs to have a commercial licence. Is this the same for gyros / rotors?What is the situation specific for Australia?A ship in port is safe, but that is not what ships are for!

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    Richard, The only commercial activity allowed legally in Oz at the moment is flight training.All others are allowed as long as you comply with the regs and recieve no financial reward. IE: you can muster your mates property as long as you are not paid and have permision from him to fly below 300 feet over his property.M Barker

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      Richard, The only commercial activity allowed legally in Oz at the moment is flight training.All others are allowed as long as you comply with the regs and recieve no financial reward. IE: you can muster your mates property as long as you are not paid and have permision from him to fly below 300 feet over his property.M Barker

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        Thanks Murray,So I can take a photo and / or video footage and sell them, as long as I am not paid for the actual flying?CheersRichardA ship in port is safe, but that is not what ships are for!

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          Thanks Murray,So I can take a photo and / or video footage and sell them, as long as I am not paid for the actual flying?CheersRichardA ship in port is safe, but that is not what ships are for!

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            you tell me!

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              you tell me!

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                Well, theres no rule about taking photo's from a gyro, If it were of say a house and you complied with the regs IE: distance from house, hight etc you would be OK,not sure about the selling of the photo though.If all else fails ring the Opps manager....M Barker

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                  Well, theres no rule about taking photo's from a gyro, If it were of say a house and you complied with the regs IE: distance from house, hight etc you would be OK,not sure about the selling of the photo though.If all else fails ring the Opps manager....M Barker

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                    Interesting article from the States.FAA Gives OK To Airborne Hunting With LSAs"Aerial ATVs" May Be Used To Ward Off PredatorsAfter two years of prodding by Idaho's congressional delegation and the office of Governor Dirk Kempthorne, the FAA has granted its conditional approval to ranchers who wish to obtain state permits to shoot coyotes and other predators while flying overhead in powered parachutes and ultralights."These are the newest, hottest things for ranchers," said FAA spokesman Allen Kenitzer. "This is something people out West really wanted, to be able to use these aircraft out in the middle of nowhere to do the things they need to do."While a law allowing people to "shoot, capture, harass or kill" wildlife that is threatening livestock, while the person is overhead in an aircraft, has been on the books for years in Idaho, the state had asked the FAA for waiver to continue the practice after it caught the agency's attention in 2003 -- when the FAA cited a southeastern Idaho rancher for using his powered parachute as an aerial gun platform to shoot coyotes.The agency initially balked at the request, but last spring FAA Administrator Marion Blakey agreed to the practice, saying the agency "does not want to unduly restrict these activities, but only wants to ensure they are conducted safely and in appropriately certificated aircraft."By "appropriately certificated," Blakey means those airplanes certified under the FAA's Light Sport category -- especially ultralights and powered 'chutes, planes dubbed by Idaho officials as "aerial ATVs." With as little as eight hours of training, a pilot can legally operate such vehicles."As technology has improved, it has become apparent that powered parachutes are an ideal vehicle for airborne predator control," wrote Stanley Boyd, a lobbyist for woolgrowers, elk breeders and cattle ranchers who heads the Idaho Animal Damage Control Board.Not everyone agrees with that assessment, however -- in particular, animal rights activists."I'm covering my eyes and laughing," said Wendy Keefover-Ring, coordinator of a national coalition of environmental groups that wants to end aerial gunning of wildlife, to the Associated Press. "It's unsafe even when you are in a plane that has a stronger engine than these ultralights have.""There is so little margin for error when you are flying 10 feet off the ground shooting a gun at a moving target," Keefover-Ring added, while also acknowledging that to date, the conservation group Sinapu has no record of an ultralight crashing while being used for aerial gunning.Sinapu does have records, going back to 1989, of 24 accidents involving standard aircraft and helicopters during airborne predator flights. Those accidents resulted in the deaths of 32 people, Keefover-Ring said.Those who support the use of light aircraft for hunting say those numbers support their case."Airplanes, even small planes, can travel over 100 miles an hour, while these aerial ATVs move along about the speed that a coyote can run," said Eulalie Langford, a former state legislator from Montpelier who also defended the unidentified pilot cited in 2003. "If there's a mountain coming up, you have plenty of time to see it and take evasive action."FMI: www.faa.gov, www.goagro.orgAussie Paul.[]www.firebirdgyros.com

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                      Interesting article from the States.FAA Gives OK To Airborne Hunting With LSAs"Aerial ATVs" May Be Used To Ward Off PredatorsAfter two years of prodding by Idaho's congressional delegation and the office of Governor Dirk Kempthorne, the FAA has granted its conditional approval to ranchers who wish to obtain state permits to shoot coyotes and other predators while flying overhead in powered parachutes and ultralights."These are the newest, hottest things for ranchers," said FAA spokesman Allen Kenitzer. "This is something people out West really wanted, to be able to use these aircraft out in the middle of nowhere to do the things they need to do."While a law allowing people to "shoot, capture, harass or kill" wildlife that is threatening livestock, while the person is overhead in an aircraft, has been on the books for years in Idaho, the state had asked the FAA for waiver to continue the practice after it caught the agency's attention in 2003 -- when the FAA cited a southeastern Idaho rancher for using his powered parachute as an aerial gun platform to shoot coyotes.The agency initially balked at the request, but last spring FAA Administrator Marion Blakey agreed to the practice, saying the agency "does not want to unduly restrict these activities, but only wants to ensure they are conducted safely and in appropriately certificated aircraft."By "appropriately certificated," Blakey means those airplanes certified under the FAA's Light Sport category -- especially ultralights and powered 'chutes, planes dubbed by Idaho officials as "aerial ATVs." With as little as eight hours of training, a pilot can legally operate such vehicles."As technology has improved, it has become apparent that powered parachutes are an ideal vehicle for airborne predator control," wrote Stanley Boyd, a lobbyist for woolgrowers, elk breeders and cattle ranchers who heads the Idaho Animal Damage Control Board.Not everyone agrees with that assessment, however -- in particular, animal rights activists."I'm covering my eyes and laughing," said Wendy Keefover-Ring, coordinator of a national coalition of environmental groups that wants to end aerial gunning of wildlife, to the Associated Press. "It's unsafe even when you are in a plane that has a stronger engine than these ultralights have.""There is so little margin for error when you are flying 10 feet off the ground shooting a gun at a moving target," Keefover-Ring added, while also acknowledging that to date, the conservation group Sinapu has no record of an ultralight crashing while being used for aerial gunning.Sinapu does have records, going back to 1989, of 24 accidents involving standard aircraft and helicopters during airborne predator flights. Those accidents resulted in the deaths of 32 people, Keefover-Ring said.Those who support the use of light aircraft for hunting say those numbers support their case."Airplanes, even small planes, can travel over 100 miles an hour, while these aerial ATVs move along about the speed that a coyote can run," said Eulalie Langford, a former state legislator from Montpelier who also defended the unidentified pilot cited in 2003. "If there's a mountain coming up, you have plenty of time to see it and take evasive action."FMI: www.faa.gov, www.goagro.orgAussie Paul.[]www.firebirdgyros.com

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                        And all of this means what to us Paul???M Barker

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                          And all of this means what to us Paul???M Barker

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                            That the Yanks are looking at the commercial use of sport/recreational aircraft.Sorry if I wasted your time Murray.[]Aussie Paul.[]www.firebirdgyros.com

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                              That the Yanks are looking at the commercial use of sport/recreational aircraft.Sorry if I wasted your time Murray.[]Aussie Paul.[]www.firebirdgyros.com

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