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A quick question to all you in the know and a damn site more knowledgable than myself. How much could you expect to spend on building a basic no frills dual place machine suitable for training and learning the basics of good gyro flying? Not after a speed machine just something that looks the part, maybe even a partiallly enclosed cabin and will provide a stepping stone to something more substantial down the track. Any feedback greatly appreciated.[8D]CheersDarren
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DarrenI'll have a go at this one.Probably not the sort of reply you were expectingThis may be some help or you can choose to ignore it[
)]Well don't build a two place machine![:0][:0][:0]I think you are better off to buy a good single seat second hand machine. Learn to fly this machine and at the same time learn all you can about what sort of machine you want to build. If you don't know that much about gyros , building a two place a machine is a mistake. The other thing to consider is that you need to have min 80 hours before you can get a two seat endorsement for a gyroplane.When you have 80 hours under your belt you'll be in a much better position to judge what is the most suitable machine for you to consider next.At this stage the good second hand machine you purchased, and are flying, will have a good resale value.Ross B
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DarrenI'll have a go at this one.Probably not the sort of reply you were expectingThis may be some help or you can choose to ignore it[)]Well don't build a two place machine![:0][:0][:0]I think you are better off to buy a good single seat second hand machine. Learn to fly this machine and at the same time learn all you can about what sort of machine you want to build. If you don't know that much about gyros , building a two place a machine is a mistake. The other thing to consider is that you need to have min 80 hours before you can get a two seat endorsement for a gyroplane.When you have 80 hours under your belt you'll be in a much better position to judge what is the most suitable machine for you to consider next.At this stage the good second hand machine you purchased, and are flying, will have a good resale value.Ross B
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DarrenI'll have a go at this one.Probably not the sort of reply you were expectingThis may be some help or you can choose to ignore it[)]Well don't build a two place machine![:0][:0][:0]I think you are better off to buy a good single seat second hand machine. Learn to fly this machine and at the same time learn all you can about what sort of machine you want to build. If you don't know that much about gyros , building a two place a machine is a mistake. The other thing to consider is that you need to have min 80 hours before you can get a two seat endorsement for a gyroplane.When you have 80 hours under your belt you'll be in a much better position to judge what is the most suitable machine for you to consider next.At this stage the good second hand machine you purchased, and are flying, will have a good resale value.Ross B
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That is good advice Ross.Aussie Paul. [
]www.firebirdgyros.com
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That is good advice Ross.Aussie Paul. []www.firebirdgyros.com
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That is good advice Ross.Aussie Paul. []www.firebirdgyros.com
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Ditto.......Tim McClureBroken Hill
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Ditto.......Tim McClureBroken Hill
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Ditto.......Tim McClureBroken Hill
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Okay guys I see by the general jist of things that maybe its not such a good idea, but I ask you to consider the following and correct me if Im wrong.I have read a lot of different posts on a variety of issues and it seems there are a couple of things that seem to be of concern too a lot of peopleA. Lack of instructorsB. Lack of positve public perception of the sportC. Lack of affordable two place machines suitable for instructionI have no desire to re-invent the wheel I just have a passion for the sport and want to see it expand and be received by the public in the manner it desreves. I was lucky enough in the last couple of weeks to catch up with Paul Bruty, Michael Richardson and David Brown here in WA and they have only helped fuel my want to be involved. If it hadnt been by luck that Paul happened to be in WA I wouldnt of had the chance as there are no instructors in the Perth metro area, so for the average person if there want to try something isn't met in a timely manner there desire and want soon diminishes and they go and find something else to do, like fly fixed wing etc.This leeds me to my next point, whilst I understand that competancy is a great requirement of any pilot do we really think there is a need for 80Hrs for a passenger endorsement? I don't no of any other sort of flying GA, Recreational aviation etc that requires so many hours, I know that in the earlier days there were many safety concerns surely with the progression of the sport and vast knowledge available to us and improvement of gyro's themselves that this law needs to be changed in order for the sport to move forward. If people cant be exposed to the sport it will never really move on.And last and not least in regards to my initial post, there are many of us wanting to fly but not enough people to teach us and more to the point what instructor wants to let his best/worst student loose in his own pride and joy. I Know if I had forked out the big dollars for a Newo gyro, Magni or the upcomong Firebird I think it goes without saying I would be more than a little appehensive when it came to my students flying it solo. So there lies my point in question build an affordable safe two place machine suitable for learning and novice fliers and I do believe that the sport of Gyrocopters will take a leap forward in the right direction.Lets give the sport the exposure it deserves and take it to the people. I am a strong believer in the famous quote BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME.Let the bararge beginCheers Darren HillsThere are two types of people in this world. Those that talk about what they are going to do, and those that do what they talk about.
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Okay guys I see by the general jist of things that maybe its not such a good idea, but I ask you to consider the following and correct me if Im wrong.I have read a lot of different posts on a variety of issues and it seems there are a couple of things that seem to be of concern too a lot of peopleA. Lack of instructorsB. Lack of positve public perception of the sportC. Lack of affordable two place machines suitable for instructionI have no desire to re-invent the wheel I just have a passion for the sport and want to see it expand and be received by the public in the manner it desreves. I was lucky enough in the last couple of weeks to catch up with Paul Bruty, Michael Richardson and David Brown here in WA and they have only helped fuel my want to be involved. If it hadnt been by luck that Paul happened to be in WA I wouldnt of had the chance as there are no instructors in the Perth metro area, so for the average person if there want to try something isn't met in a timely manner there desire and want soon diminishes and they go and find something else to do, like fly fixed wing etc.This leeds me to my next point, whilst I understand that competancy is a great requirement of any pilot do we really think there is a need for 80Hrs for a passenger endorsement? I don't no of any other sort of flying GA, Recreational aviation etc that requires so many hours, I know that in the earlier days there were many safety concerns surely with the progression of the sport and vast knowledge available to us and improvement of gyro's themselves that this law needs to be changed in order for the sport to move forward. If people cant be exposed to the sport it will never really move on.And last and not least in regards to my initial post, there are many of us wanting to fly but not enough people to teach us and more to the point what instructor wants to let his best/worst student loose in his own pride and joy. I Know if I had forked out the big dollars for a Newo gyro, Magni or the upcomong Firebird I think it goes without saying I would be more than a little appehensive when it came to my students flying it solo. So there lies my point in question build an affordable safe two place machine suitable for learning and novice fliers and I do believe that the sport of Gyrocopters will take a leap forward in the right direction.Lets give the sport the exposure it deserves and take it to the people. I am a strong believer in the famous quote BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME.Let the bararge beginCheers Darren HillsThere are two types of people in this world. Those that talk about what they are going to do, and those that do what they talk about.
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