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Des,Mate, anything that would hold them over the hump would usually work, though if you could get up to flight speed RRPM it was even better, though you might be looking at 60km/hr wind speeds for this to happen, anything over 10 kts seemed to be good, the faster the better - up to 40kts **IF YOU DARE**... When you get up to flight speed winds the ground turbulence can be horribly bad, the site should have clean approaches - ie, no turbulators like trees, poles, sheds, hangers, cars, trucks, rocks and fences in the incoming air stream.If the wind speeds are high make sure you provide less tail wheel down deflection, a student could get into "lock-out" by white knuckling the joy stick into the back position - not good when the truck rim and the rest of it decides to let go under the lift from the rotor = back flipRing me if you want a chat -.0418811953 Mitch,Ouch.. You"ll have Kenny up all night typing out his answer for that one.Cheers,Nic.
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Whilst I agree with Birdy regarding his ideas as to the training craft not suitable to learn this very important gyro skill, I am more curious to learn how we might overcome the more obvious problems that would result should we not make use of said type craft .Ina perfect world Mitch, it would be a simple matter of the instructer instructing every aspect of RM.But we are talkn bout people, and im yet to find a perfect specimen.
You can train successfully in a VTO capable machine, but you can bet your left one that if it can spin um up fast, they will.I was lucky, my first machine was prop start and hand spin.The ferel now is capable of constant 30 paces max TO roll then into a near virtical climb, but if iv got the room, ill just prespin over the hump, then TO like normal. [ trouble is, i dont often get the luxurey of room.]But im yet to meet a student return to this country from [ professional] instruction with much, if any, idea of RM. >
There is a problem with some machines that do not have the clearances to allow bringing the blades up ......Iv heard that too Tim, kinda blows the mind dont it. ???
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I think the most important thing to come out of this is ..What constitutes a novice?I"m sure the accidents will be reported in the gyro news. I"m sure the people involved would have reported them. Ken
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Birdman,Is the ferel on steroids??How are you achieving this take off technique?Whats the VSI saying when this is happening?Nic.
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"I think the most important thing to come out of this is ..What constitutes a novice?" ;DRUserious??? ???
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And you are right I aint never met me no perfect specimen either.MitchMitchHave you forgotten me that quick Mitch?Now I"m real hurt, I got feelings too you know.Graeme.
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"Have you forgotten me that quick Mitch?Now I"m real hurt, I got feelings too you know."Graeme,Ahem, slight technicality:Perfect people are perfectly understanding, they know other people don"t have perfect memories and that is something they never forget because they have perfect memories and forgiveness.. in short, you must be just a tad short of perfect becuase you"re complaining... and perfect people don"t complain either, so that counts me out.Cheers,Nic.
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Interesting post Greg,While all the defence makes good reading, the point still remains. Kens original post, I think, mainly pointed to the use of technology, being the pre rotator button.this highlights the fact that rotor management, particularly in the new whizz bang machines is taken as a given, when clearly it may be lacking.as with most things in life, it is important to understand "why" we do things before we let technology change them. This being a case in point.Mark.
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Sorry I posted. I should have run my thoughts past you 1st Greg as you obviously know more than I do. You"ve learnt a damn lot in 37hrs. Good luck to you. While your on here why dont you tell us a bit more about yourself. Ken
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Just an observation.Are we taught to recover from spins under the hood(GA)Handbrake turns on gravel roads..in wet weather,yet we are still issued with a licence.The point I am making is be aware...aware of your rotors and your enviroment(eg wind gusts),know your limitations.
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Arrr Mitch, My observations of you are you have done the manual wind ups of your rotors long enough to understand the requirements of management issues, I believe Birdy"s and Ken"s reference is to those who have not done the time of manual operations. So you are not qualifyed as a novice it appears. At Lameroo you proved that with your asking others advise then going and applying it. A novice would say what the ???? would they know.
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You are spot on there Des, well said. I believe that doing some time manually starting and stopping rotors [where possible] is a great thing as one day you may have to do without the press button and "what are you going to do "
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Do you do spins under the hood no IFR rating Brian.No !!What a pity.Your dead in 70 seconds after entering cloud.
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Interesting post Greg,While all the defence All what defence? I"m just makjing a point with some expert opinion placed accordingly. makes good reading,Glad you enjoyed it though the point still remains. What point, he made so many the final point being...what constiututes a newbie?Kens original post, I think, mainly pointed to the use of technology, being the pre rotator button.this highlights the fact that rotor management, particularly in the new whizz bang machines is taken as a given, when clearly it may be lacking. Kens original post I thought mainly stated...."the huge spin up speeds are unnecessary. They are flirting with danger. I get off as short as anyone simply by taxiing around."as with most things in life, it is important to understand "why" we do things before we let technology change them. Getting a bit repetative here. Have I disagreed on any of this. NO!This being a case in point.Again for the benefit of Mark and Ken, who never seem to appreciate I accept and I agree whole heartedly, we should all learn rotor management. Mark.I might well be mistaken but your posts always follow Ken"s Mark, so I am sorry if you and Ken dont understand or dont read what I have to say, I certainly listen absorb and then comment on what you both have to say, However much Ken would like me to shut up.Ken dont be a big sheila.
You sound like a real Nancy Boy. :-* I am a newbie or Novice if you like.I posted all the crap in my signature previously due to a request by you to state my experience for everyone to see. This I did.You are the guy, the NAYSAYER!, who always claims everything Larry does or I say is doomed to fail.Get a life.Sorry I posted. I should have run my thoughts past you 1st Greg as you obviously know more than I do. You"ve learnt a damn lot in 37hrs. Good luck to you. While your on here why dont you tell us a bit more about yourself. KenDont be sorry with all that sooky crap.
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I should have listed Adrian and Kev and Ian and John and Welli and even as I type these names, there are so many more folk who guide and help shape us a gyro pilots and enthusiasts, that I feel I should list.I apolagise if I am overly enthusiast for some folk to "handle" or if I am too much of an open book or even if you think I post too often. Mostly it"s gyro related and hopefully some of it might be usefull to someone.I am happy to share insights into Larry Neals world of gyro prototyping concepts and eventual production designs/models and components but I do tire of the whole your just a newby routine and what would you know attitude and the Naysayers, who think gyros should only be designed and operated, their way.Pretty soon we"ll be back ridin horses to get to where we need to go, for now while fuel is still affordable and it"s still legal to fly gyros I reckon Bosca says it succinctly "The point I am making is be aware...aware of your rotors and your enviroment(eg wind gusts),know your limitations."Surely we can agree on that, if not......beat me with a stick and be done with it.......MLS STO Enthusiast. ;D
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