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And while I"m on me stump, people need to train their brain to the function of that stick between your legs.It"s a control leaver, not a handle.It"s a natural reaction wen we realise we,v lost control, to grab sumthn and brace ourselves for the inevitable sudden stop.More n a few times I"v seen passengers in the bull buggy grab the "oh ****" bar wen they think m bout to plow into the tree, it"s natural.The stick is for rotor cyclic control, not for hangn onto.Never stop flyn it till it"s stoped flyn.
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Birdy, in his vertical descent from around 300 feet, with the tail hanging down well below the prop blast, and that was with the stick forward, he tried all he could in the tiny amount of time he had before the heavy touchdown.What I learned from watching this happen, was to make absolutely sure your gyro is hung to ASRA specs, give yourself plenty of altitude so you have recovery room and once confident, practice. I believe it is good to know the wind direction as well, that can avoid you recovering in a less than perfect direction. Each machine, its weight, disk loading, tail design etc will be different from others too.I find it a great deal of fun, just another great things a well set up gyro can do. As I have said, this is just my own opinion, I have mainly only flown for kicks... the closest I have come to any mustering was chasing some emus out of Lloyd Parsons crops in Sam P"s gyro way back when... although I was once lucky enough to watch Joe Peckett herding a flock of ducks (in flight) which was quite amazing
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I"ll say it again, if the machine can be flown off the ground, it is capable of Landn, from any attitude.If the hang angle is that far out that you can"t get the nose down, then it"ll only stagger along behind the curve, never capable of getn out of ground effect, if it ever left the ground.This is not my oppinion, it"s phisics fact.
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Very true Birdy, had he continued in forward flight, all would have been ok, in forward flight, the tail was giving the machine directional control, even tho it was flying tail down a bit. It was only the fact that he put the machine into a vertical at such a low altitude, the fact that the V tail was descending thru the air and was too low (due to the incorrect hang angle) he was unable to regain forward flight.... so down was the only option. He became a passenger. IMO, any other tail which had some authority from the prop wash may have helped, however, in this instance it reulted in an unfortunate damaging of the machine.My only reason for posting about this is to say there is nothing bad about vertical descents, but from my experience and what I have witnessed, having the machine hang tested and being within ASRAs tollerances is very important, especially for the novice.
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My head hurts. >
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Mine too... now
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Ok, my head feels better now.I"ll try again.As I"v said, twice, if the machine can fly out of ground effect, it can be landed.Iow, if the hang angle is so bad that it couldn"t recover from a nose high VD, it"d never leave the ground past ground effect in the first place.""It was only the fact that he put the machine into a vertical at such a low altitude, the fact that the V tail was descending thru the air and was too low (due to the incorrect hang angle) he was unable to regain forward flight.... so down was the only option.""Down was not his only option.If the dangle angle is so bad that he had limited forward stick , he still had plenty of side stick.Stick to the side, it"ll drift sideways, weather vain into wind and Presto, you have AS.And yes, I"v entered and exited many VDs below 100", and my Rosco tail, ina DV, is getn 0 prop blast, and the nose is very high at WOT.Many times I"v found myself too low to wate for the nose to come down** , so I just side stick and drift off to the side with the power still full on, loosen buggerall alt while gain,n
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Never thought about that.... Thank you. Birdy, you really are a wealth of knowledge....Your wisdom is regarded by all, I"m sure!
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I saw a similar crash clip on youtube (well, identical really)
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Yes, I"v seen the clip, and if you look close, you see he did everything cept move the stick.He was usen the stick Asa handle and was just hangn on, instead of usen it ( the primary control) to fly out of the spin.
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yes, for sure.... I reckon he and my mate Q both started too low, both had small tails out of the propwash, and both had the same "brain freeze".....so determined the nose had to go down and the machine had to fly forward, they forgot to think of the possibility of slipping whatever way it would go and get some airspeed that way....
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