Accidents, have we seen this report??

[aussie_paul]

http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/sho...?t=42524Aussie Paul.

[Disco]

That can"t be right.

[MadMuz]

I saw that, but it doesn"t have any official numbers or anything on it to make me believe it is fact, except the words "official facts" written at the bottom....I think it is just that

[Waddles]

Gents,Don"t forget that CASA bases their stats on the number of fatalities compared with the reported hours in a year and then this is proportioned to

[aussie_paul]

I thought it a chance for ASRA to say something Allan.

[Disco]

But that doesn"t explain the 50% fatal rate.

[MadMuz]

I would like to hear ASRAs views on it myself. I fully understand what you are saying, that is unfortunate and hopefully will improve (reporting) however, I for one don"t like it that a bloke in England brings up this sh!t when he isn"t even a flyer... he just "enjoys gathering data" [he says] but as far as I am aware, gyro fatalities are getting fewer and fewer..... but having idiots overseas turning the torch on us with "official facts" being the only thing saying it is official.... is wrong! ASRA (volunteers) never stop trying to get more safety in the sport and are doing very well IMO..... I would like to see someone from ASRA ask him for the

[MadMuz]

Well put Mark.....

[MadMuz]

I had another go at him, stole a bit of your content Mark

[NiqueNaque]

Gents,I wonder if there is any account of the following:Hours Flown / (Fatality Accidents x Altitude Flown) ?A large number of civilian jets are very safe, at 30,000" agl, let"s see their record at 300 to 500"...What is unforgiving is the recovery time we have - 8 seconds if you"re at 500".. it it barely time enough to discover you have a problem, let alone sight an emergency landing location. You lose at least a second reacting to a problem.Using the above equation might make it more realistic, as altitude is a critical item in a recovery scenario.

[MadMuz]

I think anything like that can get left out too.... it might not make us look bad enough.... I suppose he could edit it to make it as bad as possible, he might be happy with that

[MadMuz]

I have had PM"s from a few of my American mates, some of them can see what he is up to as well.... nobody knows anything about him at all, he is just this troll in England, he has said that his interest in gyros is purely because he enjoys collecting and collating data.... some of the guys realise that we are the data.... we are all just accidents waiting to happen, so he can add us to his collection and publicize it to the world thru a website that says nothing about him, his history, how he got interested, why he picked gyros to pick on.... did he lose someone to a gyro accident? Did he have a gyro accident? One guy said to me in a PM something that I hadn"t realised about either, that is that he promotes/advertises certain new machine registrations/sales and ignores others.... the guy in the PM said the accident website prolly gets paid per hit, (which there is many), and he might be also getting paid to promote certain machines? I guess that might be right? I know he is cranky with ASRA because it only informs us members, not just throwing all information out there for guys like him to sell, no matter how soon and fresh accidents may be.... and I know others have asked him why he posts certain things, as in, how useful that particular information was and did it help anyone?He could be genuinely a caring dude who wants to help the gyro movement, but from those who have contacted me, it is about 70% - 30% against... but of those I have communicated with of late, none know a single thing about him, or his real motives, genuine or not..... most have said what I have always thought, that his site is relevant and ok, it is just not knowing the real motives of it, and not knowing a single thing about him. It is strange, some think he is wonderful, others think he is just a goul, having a gore related website, disguised as helpful, safety related website..... there seems to be few in between.... we all know gore sells :To me, it would be like any of us, deciding to start a site dedicated to.... as an example, horse racing.... and collecting data on horse racing accidents including in the uk and logging every time a jocky falls off a horse and gets run over by 15 other horses.... which horses get their legs snapped or jockeys get their brains stomped by other horses and publishing it all as the dead jockeys family are grieving..... and we don"t even ride horses :It would certainly be interesting to see which one it is? Oh well, people are waking up, so that is good

[NiqueNaque]

Something went wrong with a prior post..,Here"s the clincher:Tomlin"s Aircraft Safety Index = Hours Flown / (Fatality Accidents x Altitude Flown x $ Aircraft value)Would make gyros seem very safe indeed if people want to compare them on a "reasonable" basis.

[gyroo]

Hi guys,Sorry I removed my lengthy discursive post about the ATSB report, as well as a quote from it, on the basis that I didn"t want to provide our British nemesis any "oxygen" for misquoting.I think we should try to get the US Forum administrator to substitute a much more realistic avatar for him than the one he currently has. This is my suggestion:Cheers,Mark R

[Des Garvin]

For your info on the said persons details from another site as fallows,About Steve_UK Aircraft I"m not a pilot but have been lucky enough to fly in Mi-24 Hind, Mi-2, Mi-17, Lynx HAS3, Gliders, GA Real Name Steven May Location UK just for everyone to here know.Des Garvin