Hitting the wall

[bones]

Ok now this has happened to nearly ever student i have trained, and it is now happening again with another student that has come from another instructor ect ect, now he was having trouble getting his head around the basics, but then it just clicked like it does, next thing he was holding s&l up the strip at 20" going well started on the t&gos, was going good, then this morning some one constructed a bloody brick wall in his mind and it is like he is starting over again.So a question to other instuctors or others with more training experience than i, is there anything i can do other than to just keep him as focused as possible until the 3-4 hrs pass, which it usually takes, then they say "this is not that hard is it".

[louww]

Gd day Mark,Personally, I believe every trainee has a paradigm shift which is due to age and maturity. Not to worry too much on this and somehow along the way he/she will realize it. What ever it may be, you will have to be firm and consistent in your instruction. You are doing alright, mate! As have my instructor done so by imparting his experiences and instructions, clear and precise to the last detail. I am very grateful to have A. Stoffels to be my instructor. Nonetheless, I am also grateful to meet CFI, I. Morecombe and many fellow gyronauts in WA for their kind advices to make my flying dream comes true! Festive season is around the corner and I take this opportunity to wish all, a joyous Merry Christmas and a Happy New year.CheersLou

[aussie_paul]

Ok now this has happened to nearly ever student i have trained, and it is now happening again with another student that has come from another instructor ect ect, now he was having trouble getting his head around the basics, but then it just clicked like it does, next thing he was holding s&l up the strip at 20" going well started on the t&gos, was going good, then this morning some one constructed a bloody brick wall in his mind and it is like he is starting over again.So a question to other instuctors or others with more training experience than i, is there anything i can do other than to just keep him as focused as possible until the 3-4 hrs pass, which it usually takes, then they say "this is not that hard is it".Bones, sometimes you just have to have a day off and go fishing or something. Difficult when time is usually in short supply.Aussie Paul.

[birdy]

Try sumthn different.I know, im a big help. ;(

[Brian]

Bones, I"m not an instructor but PBs advice [if time permits] is probably the easiest and best way to go about it.Going back in ancient history, I remember when doing my FW training, I was doing pretty well, think I had about 4 hours up, went out and did stalls etc, came back to do a circuit or two and for some reason I started flaring out about 50 feet high. Why ? no idea. Came back a couple of days later, did 3 or 4 circuits, instructor sent me around solo no problems!If you got to press through it, take Birdys advice and go out and where you can get down low and go harras something, sure to give a student a mind clearing expereince.

[bones]

Theres no rush, we are averaging about 4 hrs a week, so we not rushing it through, he"s 100% committed to learning to fly, he keeps saying if you can put up with me ill keep trying.All students go through it i have found it is usually about 10-12hr mark, and yep thats right about where he is now, but the real piont of the post was to find out if any other person has found a way to help the student through this faze easier and quicker, but i am finding it is some thing everyone just has to go through.

[birdy]

Springn a quiet engine on him usualy clears ones mind.

[GraemeMonro]

Springn a quiet engine on him usualy clears ones mind.A sudden quiet engine didn"t clear my mind (it"s never been very clear to me or anyone else), it just made my rear end suction on the seat tighter.Graeme.

[mad max]

when that happens Bones, and they"ve come a long way, and don"t wont to sit around and have a break i just suggest they take me for a cruise and check the country out untill they wish to get back into the hard stuff. It gives me a break allso.

[tonydenton]

sounds like they are all on the mark. i can remember saying my ass muscles were so tight while learning to fly,particually at landings, to which i got the reply, doesn"t matter how tight your ass muscles are it won"t make you fly any better. i found i had to force myself to relax . started at my shoulders and then chest and then gut muscles finally with correct breathing ass muscles, relaxed. release the tension.release the tension on the stick too.remind him the machine can fly straight nd level hands off.[ not for landing obviously] going for a fly a bit of r and r was needed sometimes. a couple of times he buzzed some one just to get us laughing and see the fun side of it again.then ease back into it again. maybe ask him what are his concerns. mine was just seeing out through the front of the cabin at landing before flare[ when it was all happening]and trying to get it straight[ the string being in the centre of us didn"t help], i was told years later the instructor put some thing else in place to help students with that. obviously when you get the hang of it and you have learnt to fly you can do it all no problems.

[asra]

Gents , Flight training can be very challenging for both the student and instructor. People are all very different, and we all learn in different ways. As instructors we need to better understand and find out what style of teaching best suits our student. We also need to truly understand what our students understanding is of the task at hand. I know allot of instructors teach by telling, and telling and telling. This can work but is not always the most efficient. Its all about the student, so in order to ascertain where and why they are getting it wrong, we need to coach it out of them. HOW? BY Getting them to do most of the talking!!!!!Below is a possible question check listExplain task.Demonstrate task.1) What is there understanding of the task at hand?2) Are they comfortable with what has been asked of them?3) Do they need another demonstration?Have them carry out task.1) Have they any concerns about what they just did?2) How do they feel they did?3) What do they think they did wrong?4) What do they think they need to do to correct it next time?5) Feel free to challenge them on what this is as it can help you confirm if they truly understand. 6) Do they need another demonstration?Have them carry out task.Praise once completed correctly!!!Most of the time we tend to tell them our opinions of what the problem is and how they can fix them. What we need to do is better understand them (the person) there opinion, and there understanding of what went wrong. Once we have this information we can then truly hone in on the real problems, and apply a fix for them.my 2 centsRegards SamL..............

[aussie_paul]

Gents , Flight training can be very challenging for both the student and instructor. People are all very different, and we all learn in different ways. As instructors we need to better understand and find out what style of teaching best suits our student. We also need to truly understand what our students understanding is of the task at hand. I know allot of instructors teach by telling, and telling and telling. This can work but is not always the most efficient. Its all about the student, so in order to ascertain where and why they are getting it wrong, we need to coach it out of them. HOW? BY Getting them to do most of the talking!!!!!Below is a possible question check listExplain task.Demonstrate task.1) What is there understanding of the task at hand?2) Are they comfortable with what has been asked of them?3) Do they need another demonstration?Have them carry out task.1) Have they any any concerns about what they just did?2) How do they feel they did?3) What do they think they did wrong?4) What do they think they need to do to correct it next time?5) Feel free to challenge them on what this is as it can help you confirm if they truly understand. 6) Do they need another demonstration?Have them carry out task.Praise once completed correctly!!!Most of the time we tend to tell them our opinions of what the problem is and how they can fix them. What we need to do is better understand them (the person) there opinion, and there understanding of what went wrong. Once we have this information we can then truly hone in on the real problems, and apply a fix for them.my 2 centsRegards SamL.............. NAH!!! Sam. It least 5 cents worth. Well said Mate.Aussie Paul.

[asra]

Not an instructor but I got my ticket 12 months ago. Yes - I suffered the brick wall and all I can say is your head gets so full of stuff that it only takes one new thing like radio or landings to think about and the mind throws a circuit breaker. Maybe pull back a bit and get some of more of the flying to become second nature so the student doesn"t have to proccess too much info. Also if he has stuffed up a couple of landings then he/she will be pre-occupied by the bugga up and forget about the rest. I also have some advice on how to suck eggs if interested

[asra]

I hit a wall a little while back. I was on the 40 hour mark. I got a new machine and had flown it around a bit. All of a sudden I coudn"t land properly. It was really frustrating cause I just couldn"t get it right. GOt a scare on the last landing and though about giving it away. I stopped, went home and slept on it. Next morning I tried again and done 15 hours since without a problem. I think if a student hits a wall and can"t get it right even though they know how to do it the best thing to do is to stop immediately and have a sleep on it, it lets the brain process what went wrong. May not work for everyone but it worked for me.