interesting discovery, well new to me !

[asra]

My Apoligies Paul !I do not wish to tax your patiants ! Haing in there my friend ! C ya !Bob......" Momm'a alwayse told me , Son the impossable is only a little bit Harder... and ya know I do believe She was RIGHT ! "

[NiqueNaque]

Bob,You know, my biggest problem is that nearly all my predictions come true... I'm on your case to make sure you are not included where this is so, please don't tempt the gods of fate. My intuition tells me that if you continue on your present course you will die, whereas if you get instruction, you will live to enjoy it, as it seems you have a 'small' grasp of what to do.Every one here is either begging, yelling, asking, intimating or screaming at you to get instructions, that is possible, and we don't need to change our attitude, you do. Nobody here is looking down their noses at you, that is your perception, I'm sure they are all equally concerned that you don't "eat it" when it comes to trying flying, which is what you are.Even if you spent 6 hours hands on in a two seater with an instructor, that would improve your chances of survival remarkably, and it won't cost you the earth or your soul to boot. Please get instruction Bob, you deserve it. You might even be able to invite Paul over for a visit which he could write off on his tax bill... wish you luck.Daryl,As far as this post goes, you are beneath me... once again a measure of concern on my part for Bob K goes astray, I guess he will learn the hard way, be it on your conscience, if you have one.Nicholas TomlinAlarmist - www.alarmist.com.au - we scare for you

[asra]

Good luck to you Bob. I hope you succeed. I probably wouldn't build a gyro your way, and you probably wouldn't build a gyro my way, and thats OK.Mr Tomlin seems to have crossed the line from thinking he knows everything, to thinking he speaks for everyone!Daryl Patterson

[asra]

Personally I think Nick has a valid point. I have seen a few people get killed in gyro accidents and they were all like Bob. Bob thinks that accumulating information will keep him safe when it is experience with an Instructor he really needs before attempting his next solo flight. If he persists alone and is very fortunate and patient he may survive. It is risky this way and will most likely be at the cost of a couple of rebuilds, which of course will total him far more than what an Instructor would charge. If he is unlucky he will die. Take the advice seriously Bob and go get instruction while you can.PeteBairnsdale,Vic.

[Brian]

Pete, you have said it well !!Bob, I think I can say that there is no one here that is looking down his nose at you ! I for one could not build my own gyro or rotors etc so I'm no where near as clever a chap as you are !! Having said that, I do regard myself as a reasonable pilot and having a FW licence prior to getting a gyro licence and having had instruction and seen other's who have rushed their instruction some what, I feel I can speak with authority on 'teaching yourself to fly'You might well be sucessful Bob, you may become the worlds best gyro pilot but the chances against that are high, the chance that you will never get far off the ground are also very high and the chances are that you will have to do a few 'rebuilds' are also very high [from taxying and ground runs].Even with instruction you would have read about learners tipping their gyro over or landing crossed up and tipping the gyro over so you have to admit that ground handling could well be a problem !! I regard a gyro as being a lot harder to manage on the ground compared to an aircraft, they can be a bit of a handfull on softish ground for example as a wheel digs in a bit etc so your decision not to get instruction makes us all on this forum fairly nervous Bob. You are a likeable larikin and its part of our Aussie spirit not wanting to see you get hurt or worse for the sake of a silly decision on your part.Like it or not, Bob, you are part of a family and if you were to get hurt we would all grieve as if you were a family memeber and thats the way it is !!BrianPooncarie NSW

[asra]

Thanks Pete,Daryl,Bryan your concern is noted !Even you NiqueNaque though you have a strange way of showing your concern for my health ! ( beat on him awhile, maybe he'll listen !)..........Pete You are so right in the Experience aspect... Never in my life have I tackeled such a touchie Monster ! the steering being so extreamily fast reacting and every control on the gyro exhibits the same RACE CAR DRIVER setup ! everything is super fast ... thats why EXPERIENCE is needed so very much ! or you will flip it over...more than once before you start to get the haing of it ! By now I feel that I have progressed up to half way controling the beast on the ground by the end of last summer I was very confident on the ground control... however now , once i get back to that stage again after the long winter of being away from it, Now comes the worst part, the part of controling it in the air,if the controls react as fast in the air as they do on the ground I can be asured of more truble ! ( which I believe they will to a certain extent) so I do not take this lightlyby any means ! .... I think Most people get into gyros because of their simplisity ...they realy do look about as simple as they come ! only after you've been into them a while do you find out how utterly fast they react on the ground... if they react the same in the air , I'll be quite truthfull with ya , I don't think I Want to fly one !because it is truly a death-trap in the wrong hands ! Now I know I can change the steering on my gyro to not be so touchie... but I have it about where I want it right now.... as far as the other controls go for the stick I havn't touched them from the original , so I expect they will be terrably fast reacting... and in my book that is bad.... but then everything about the original Bumble Beeto me was bad ... that is why I set out imediately to change that ....to me it felt unsafe in so many respects that something had to change ! that being the Machine ...NOT ME..... there is a diference..... you don't make a person fit the machine you make the machine fit the person..... if that is possable ! if however it is Not possable then you must conform the person to the machine ..... so let me ask you guys ... can you at any time take your hand off the stick while flying ? without the gyro doing strange things ? turning , diveing that sort of thing ? or going into a shakeing fit ? can you switch hands on the stick without takeing your life in your hands ? is the gyro stable enough to relax with ? if You incounter turbulant air is it still safe to fly the thing or do you find yourself changeing altitude ,looseing altitude, veering right or left all the time ? ...... You very well may be flying in a Aircraft that only the designer can handle in such cases.... and thats not good ! if you like the way the gyro handles great but if you put up with it thats a diferent story.... time to change the structure and fit the sircraft to the man ! I am comeing to believe than Most pilots are getting by , by theskin on their teeth, because the craft they fly planely isn't all that safe .... if this is the case why the hell is it when we can change it ? lets face it not many people can fly like birdy and chase the bovine population through the brush ! he obviously has the nack ! but think of it this way , if it takes a Nack..... why not change the craft ? we after all can do that ... but we don't hear many complaints eather, most guys are happy as heck with the way their gyros fly ! It looks as if the craft is a specilised flying machine that was built by a X-15 pilot ..... and everyone that flys it has to learn HIS skills.... doesn't that sound a bit daft to ya ? like whats wrong with this picture ??? wouldn't it be better to tame the beast ? and make it easier and safer to fly for all ? those X-15 pilots out there can keep their craft the way it is and have a ball..... but something like a "Beginners setup" for gyro adjustment would sure be nice ! C ya !Bob........." Momm'a alwayse told me , Son the impossable is only a little bit Harder... and ya know I do believe She was RIGHT ! "

[birdy]

"so let me ask you guys ..."HmmmmmI know near everybody else has said it already, but i'm guna say it anyway.You got alota learn'n to do yet Bob, before you even leave the ground and alota bruises along the way if ya not guna at least take a ride in one before you depart the ground solo.That long list o questions you just posted has proved wot a rude supprise your guna get if you ever leave the ground.I'd realy appreciate it if you'd start sum communication by Email with me, coz i wurry bout you, your guna do it no matter wot, so at least let me try to warn you of wot your go'n to experiance, before you experiance it.Least that way i could sleep better at night.Lookn forward to hearn from ya, shortly.Ignorance is bliss............but only till you realise you were.birdy, here.

[asra]

I emailed ya Birdy maybe ya didn't get it, or it put it in the personal messages , i dunno ! see if ya can find it ! C ya'Bob......" Momm'a alwayse told me , Son the impossable is only a little bit Harder... and ya know I do believe She was RIGHT ! "

[birdy]

nuthn yet Bob.Ignorance is bliss............but only till you realise you were.birdy, here.

[asra]

trying again Birdy !realy !Bob.......p.s.just sent it infact .... from the user profile page...lemme know if ya get it please ! " Momm'a alwayse told me , Son the impossable is only a little bit Harder... and ya know I do believe She was RIGHT ! "

[birdy]

ill have to get the cook onto it Bob, coz nuthns happen'n this end.Ignorance is bliss............but only till you realise you were.birdy, here.

[birdy]

Got it now Bob, the cook musta been hiden me from ya.[ ill have to spank her for that]Ignorance is bliss............but only till you realise you were.birdy, here.

[asra]

Hay ! don't be spanking the cook ! thats hard on the munchie supply !heheheheok catcha laterthanks all !Bob......" Momm'a alwayse told me , Son the impossable is only a little bit Harder... and ya know I do believe She was RIGHT ! "

[NiqueNaque]

Bob,Are you still with us??Cheers,Nicholas TomlinAlarmist - www.alarmist.com.au - we scare for you

[NiqueNaque]

Bob,Are you still with us??Cheers,Nicholas TomlinAlarmist - www.alarmist.com.au - we scare for you