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[GraemeMonro]

Hi Graeme, what does that mean? Please.Aussie Paul. Try here Mr Bruty.

[birdy]

Mate I couldn’t care less if ya had a million hoursWell, sorry i spoke.Thought it was you who wanted to hear from sumone who"d sat in both machine types, and not sumone with an axe to grind. I would encourage people that have flown high thrustline gyro’s to air their views to the board in written format so it can be discussed at board level.As for everythn else you said,..............wot ever you recon. :

[Greg Mitchell]

Just so we are clear..I have no axe to grind and I have been in both types of craft and I know which are more efficient and safer by design. ;DI do recognise most of you view my comments as marginally to heavily biased. Trent, I am personnally glad that you went to the trouble to re-configure your gyro. I have seen you asking lots of questions.I am somewhat perplexed as to what motivated you to re-configure when you seem so strongly opposed to ASRA adopting a CLT standard based on the current aviation thinking around the world and thus instigating a hang and balance test to form a data base and derive an overview of the configurations out there.Mr Kym Caskey,I am often confused by your diatribes. [b]"Greg,You will not convince Trent with your simplistic verbals.

[bosca]

Greg why not Annalise your reply.

[Greg Mitchell]

Kym,I dont know what your on about half the time. ???You told me you wanted a gyro that didn"t pitch about as much. You classified your gyro not me. You told me that you were almost to frightened to fly it any more. To much work...etc, etc.You asked me to help you sell it. Check the forums.You wanted a Butterfly, Oh now you say it didn"t happen because they were to expensive....I thought it had more to do with the bleeding heart man on the land. Cant have to many toys.

[aussie_paul]

We are getting off track here again. When it comes to inexperienced gyro pilots the criteria is stability, not whether the gyro is CLT or 4" HTL.Aussie Paul.

[bosca]

Greg.Read your post 34 then my reply to this,your reaction,your slagging of Trent.

[Brian]

Trent and other"s, its good to say what you think, this is a forum and everyone has the right to have your say.Firstly, I was saying pretty much what you are saying here today Trent & Danny about 8 years ago approximately. I argued very bluntly with PB on this forum and also on the US forum and was convinced I was correct. I was not correct !!! Its taken a long time, read a lot, listened a lot, ate lots of humble pie etc. I fly a Rosco, 2.2 suby with a pod, done over 5,000 hours in it in some of the wildest weather, been in thermal/ whiirlys etc etc I have even been past scared of what was going to happen next while I hung on, the only thing that re assured me was knowing that my Rosco was not going to fail !!!!!Having said that, I know it was my control /throttle

[asra]

Hi GentsI have been given permission to discuss the hang/tilt back test results of this particular gyroplane by its owner. It was going to be used as a first solo/initial learner before buying or building the final limo.I would like to open and welcome all comments regarding its design/configuration. [b]What do you think

[danny]

Thanks for that Brian, at last you"ve got my full attention. Anyone who has flown 5000hrs in a Rosco machine pretty much like mine, and reckons that there is something going on, makes me sit up and listen. It"s good to hear you say that the reliability and general design of the Rosco is what has saved you from possible disaster. I fly my machine with quite a lot of very gentle stick inputs and couple that with throttle changes especially in gusty weather, and I"ve hit a few goodies. I keep on the rudder pedals continually and I "spose that keeping the yaw string straight pretty well at all times comes from my gliding experience. Obviously accurate flying in a glider translates into efficiency, like there"s no engine to make up for the losses. I believe that accurate flying in a gyro, probably of any design is important. Spent sometime over the weekend reading the University of Scotland report and have been trying to decide in my own mind whether the wind tunnel tests of the model, without a rotor fitted, are valid, I know that the experimenters reckon that it"s all good....but...Waiting to here what ASRA has to say in the letter that you mention.DANNY CAMEL

[asra]

RobGood to see you invested some time in reading the report.I recommend others also have a read.Your Rosco gyro is also a very similar configuration to Brians.Ross B

[Greg Mitchell]

G"Day Sam,My two bobs worth.It was going to be used as a first solo/initial learner.......That"s good news!!!.It is always a difficult process simply eyeballing a gyro.Cant tell if there is any neg incidence on the HS and can"t really tell if it is large enough (though I think not ) to counter the large Thrustline to Vertical C Of G offset.Looks like GG blades up top with elec starter/pre-rotator. Blades if 25 ft"ers ( estimating disc size due to Subbie engine...heay single place ) will be around 59-62 lbs depending if they are tip weighted or not.Again guessing at the possible location of the CofG and drawing a line through prop, it look to be a considerable offset.I can not see how this gyro set up as is,

[Greg Mitchell]

see picture.........Looks like it could be 12" high or more. Mitch

[Greg Mitchell]

Danny said:...... "It"s good to hear you say that the reliability and general design of the Rosco is what has saved you from possible disaster. ???That"s not what I read

[Brian]

Mitch. I"m right out on the edge when I"m talking technical stuff but I"m saying that say my gyro tests out at say 4 inches high from CLT, that does not mean its automatically STABLE. Now, while it feels pretty good to fly and gives a good ride, it does not fly like an ELA or like the MTO I flew a few days ago and I"ll put it another way, for those who believe their gyros are stable, go fly a MTO /ELA/Magni/Xeon/Kruza [and the others that are stable or CLT] and come back and tell me what you found.I"ll go right out to the very end of the limb here, you will come back and say, " now I know what the stability argument is all about"!Danny, the letter is in the members only part of the ASRA forum, have you read it yet ? Good to see you are at least reading the Houston report for yourself