Calidus

[MadMuz]

Thanks Blake.... yes, unfortunately I cant get sound to work on my puter, so I could only watch the video and go by others comments as to what he actually did or didn"t do. However, in case birdy was saying unbelievable, about my comments, to clarify, from what I have gathered that he had a severe reduction in power on takeoff, he was quite low over the end of the strip and had not much choice of where he was going to touch down (hemmed in), and remembering I cant hear what the engine was actually doing.... my point remains.... if you have a long strip with very limited outlandable areas after the end fence, one would be better to do as short takeoff as possible, ie, try to be getting airborn at the keys at the beginning of the strip, (rather than taxy to the keys rotors stopped, then initiate takeoff as this fella seemed to have done) then climb out at maximum rate of climb, so if everything does suddenly go quiet, you have some useable runway ahead to abort takeoff onto, or at least by the time of going over the end fence on a kilometre long strip, you might expect to have at least 500-700" altitude to play with (depending on wind conditions) and certainly a lot more options than this fella had (left himself)So, I agree, he showed poor forethought by not maximising the first half of the runway and where he chose to initiate his takeoff, if the engine was playing up (I couldn"t hear) well before the end of the runway, he should have aborted on first hiccup.... however, given the size of the rocks he landed in, on or amongst, he must have at least got his act together (better late than never) and planted the thing upright - ish..... which is to his credit (after all of his f@ck ups that put him in the situation) at least

[MadMuz]

Birdy, with all due respect, cruising down wind at what, 60 knots and the flame goes out... and doing an about face is not like the situation this guy got himself into.....

[bones]

hmmmm well it gets better, no actually worse but anyway.The reason why people fly gyros like FW is exactly like you said "taxi to threshold with rotors fore and aft, brakes from flight to park, prerotate to 200+ rpm, brakes to flight and floor it with full back stick..... enjoy your flight" nd no matter how many times i see it, it will never cease to amaze me how most people are trained to fly a gyro, in some cases by people with under 100 hrs WTF will they know, how to react if the Sh*t hits it, ill guarantee they will freeze up, and so will a person they teach, because they never had their instructor stick full rudder in at 20" and hold it, because the instuctor wouldnt have been able to get himself out of it.Anyway im just gonna sit back now and enjoy the readings.

[MadMuz]

All true Bones.... oh, and by the way, that ute you lent me.... Thanks, but sorry I got a small scratch on it, it should buff out

[birdy]

For your info Muz, the noise surged at the 1.24 mark, but didnt die compleatly.Turned out there wasa bita gunk in one carb bowl that bloked the jet at WOT, zactly the same happened to me years ago.Rick, yes.In reality, iv tested it.And you only need enuf alt to clear the ground wen you reef it round, ie; 13"1" off the ground with 26"ers.Thats wot a gyro is capable of.So to say at the nose bleed alt of 200", he dont have room for a 360 is bullsh**.And it dont matter wot the wind strength, the stronger the better.Btw Muz, iv never cruised at 60kts ina gyro.Wen i did the demo, it woulda been 35, 40 tops.And i said a

[RickE]

I"d really love to see you do that manouever Birdy, it breaks a lot of rules that I was taught but sounds pretty neat. Might have to organise a gyro trip out your way. Could be an educational experience!

[birdy]

Rick, it sold the FWer on gyros. He ordered a spankn new 914 rosco the next day. But, unless the rotors are made dud like Magni, id do it in any gyro, coz the phisics without power is the same for any gyro.Try it.Start from wotever alt your comfortable with and gradualy work your way down.Only trick is, its nearly not doable from a starting speed thats much lower n economical cruise for your paticular machine.Disclaimer;I didnt hold a gun to your head.

[MadMuz]

Sorry Birdy, I missed the 360 bit.... had 180 stuck in my head for some reason

[blakemorem]

Nah Muz not 360 have another look at it. This ain"t a **** take mate...It"s just you can"t just sit there your window of opportunity closes so quickly. Engine out you are landing. You already have in your head where you"ve been and you are in control. Don"t F#$%k around there"s a strip just behind you remember. 180 and Land. If tits up you did your best.Mike.

[mad max]

On the Calidus when pre-rotating you have to have the stick hard forwards. It seems that the rotor revs decay quickly when you transit from stick forward to stick back. I have observed that some pilots have flapped the blades at high speed even after pre-rotating to 220 rpm. I don"t know the reason why it is designed that way. Maybe someone can enlighten me. Surely it"s better to start level and ease the stick back when pre-rotating but on the Calidus the pre-rotator cuts of when you move the stick away from full forward.

[chook]

Max it is the same cutout on the ELA and the MTO. They use a micro switch at the base of the joystick.I suspect Europeans fear that someone will engage the pre rotator during flight.Regards....Chook.

[Disco]

They probably want the uni joints straight for the prerotate and don"t want you to hit the tail when starting prerotation if you forget to start with stick forward.

[mad max]

That makes sense. So it"s obvious that it"s critical to get the stick back fairly quickly and keep a bit of an eye on rotor revs until you see them increasing and absolutely no throttle until the stick is hard back.

[birdy]

Or just build it proper.Take the switch out, set the head so,s it dont chop your tail off and put a drive transfer systm in that allows for prespin,n with the stick on the backstop.Itll shortn your TO roll by 80%.One of their strongest selln points is the powerfull prespinner.Sure, itll get them to near flight rrpm, but unless you can keep it on, its bout as effective asa lectric one. :

[Disco]

Nar the strongest selling point is the polished fibreglass come on birdy