comercial and ag aplications

[asra]

Fair enough Porky, I was only going on what was told at a seminar by an official from the DPI in Queensland. It was held at a property who breed Dexters hence the interest. Back to commercial and ag applications!

[pocky]

Wheres the line,Recreational-commercial,if a gyro is used for paddock survailance,mustering, fire spotting crop spraying,it seems we are already doing some of this. is it the height rule,(500 feet)crossing public ground, or getting paid deems the use as commercial,as we all know gyros are being used in the pastoral industry with great success.what is it we have to change?What would be the case if I put a small spray boom on a gyro and went spraying on my own property at 3o feet which isn,t within a bulls roar of any controlled air space,this shouldn,t be seen any diferent to mustering at 10 feet except in the rules prohibits dropping things from a gyro,does that also rule out shooting pigs from one,not suggesting that anyone doesbut it would have real possibilities for feral control.One regulation that should be changed for non urban use is the 25 mile from point of take off unless you have cross country license ruleboundry rider

[Brian]

The NLIS is in my opinion a heap of expensive BS. Granted, it will in some case make traceback a lot easier but in the case of theft, is not going to make one bit of diference.Its also going to mean more bookwork in the producers case .We tagged all our cattle and had one die a few weeks later so our bookwork has just begun and I suppose to we really should have a scanner here so that we can verify what numbered cattle have been loaded on the truck.Also, I have to agree that if we are going to HAVE to have this NLIS, then why couldnt the scanners be made read from 50 yards away!!You never know how far you can go, till you get there !

[asra]

Brian, I was told the readers (such as the latest technology) can read from a distance of a couple hundred meters AND up to speeds of 160 kph. The unit I saw was a small hand held one.

[asra]

Back in the 80s, Qld Uni did some work for a NSW livestock company that wanted to introduce remote scanning techniques for cattle ID. The brief was to develop a capsule transponder (active sleeper) that could be read by a handheld scanner up to 1klm away. As I recall, the technology worked ok but it was too bulky and the cost per capsule was prohibitive. You can bet someone will be working on introducing an updated version.Imagine, just fly along a treeline and get a log of every one of those SCs (simple cows) lurking in the shadows. No chance of missing one during a muster either.For the real-world SCGs out there, yes you could include an explosive charge (C4) or High Voltage prod in the capsule for those stubborn beasts that refuse to break cover - although shooting them would probably be more satisfying to some frustrated gyronuts.

[Ken Watson]

I agree with the Bird. They have just created a new job for some useless idiot. He's probably come up with the idea so as he can create a job in private enterprise for himself. All this stuff is for honest people, dishonest people will still be dishonest. It's like the lock that is almost as secure as the bolt cutters. Bird, each tag does have its own number, shows how close I look.The NVD is another ****. I took two loads to the yard the other week and handed over the form and was told it was now the wrong colour. Allthe other yards took it but this bloke said no. Went into town , got a photo copy and gave him that. Still the wrong colour I reckon. So the next day rang MLA for new book and was told the book only contains 10 forms and I would have to pay after that. So got one for each property, 30 for free. Made me feel a little better. I asked the girl why they changed the forms. She said it was to make it easy for illiterate persons. I pointed out that they couldn't read the questions anyway and would probably tick yes and no. I said the Questions are still the same only with the addition of despatch times. IT's all BS just like the chemical handling thing. We can't use pourons after sept.unless we do a course to help us understand the instructions on the bottle. I rang the EPA and pointed out that I had been to uni and understood the instructions but was told you can't drive without a license. I couldn't see the comparison. I asked the teachers qualifications and was told he had done the course and an appropriateteaching course and had ten years experience using chemicals. I've used them all my life and told the girl if he had a problem to ring me. For some reason the conversation finished.Tese people are ucking this country and think they are doing us all a favour. I am dissapointed with the NFF and think that it is all getting too hard and plan to get out of farming. Maybe I could teach chemical handling or how to put Nlis devices in. The chemical class has a min. of 15 students at $300 for 2 days with a 1 day update every 5 yrs at $200.I vote for compulsory marking of all beauracrats. I've got the knife and we'll knock a few over in a day ay Bird! Cow Cocky Ken

[pocky]

Ken,sh*t don,t start us on this or we won,t be talking about anything else,I agree with every thing that you said,now we have consultants ,advisers and all the rest that we are paying for, but we have to look accountableto the urban voter or we might as well all pack it in.Don,t know about your neck of the woods ,but here we got OHAS,LWMP,Workcover,NPS,Native Title,Native Vegetation rules and more just waiting to too put there foot on our necks .Sound familar to the gyro fraternity ,do the right thing in the public eye, keep our nose clean and don,t rock the boat(well not too much)or they Beurecrat will write rules for all of us,and lose yet another little pleasure,rest assured the dead wood arnt giving up there day jobNow lets get back to gyrosboundry rider

[asra]

was told by a fella that if this crap went on the way it is with bein told what to do, there would have been a sever backlash 20 years ago and possibly a civil war. his words, but i just wonder when enough is enough. some polly decides to strike out any ownership or rights to freehold land that was purchased and paid in full!!!the price was calculated buy the value of the trees ect... we had to buy them now their taking them away!!! in 20 years to mind you, an some people are still payin of the bill!!! nowhere else in the free world would this happen esp without appropriat compensation.some say pollys will fu** this country. but the truth is that they already are. if you took every leach and counted them as unemployed the fair dinkum aussie way of life would be proved a farce.went to a feild day next door last week and herd nothin about a long range reader. if one exists it would be a dream come true but i was told that the limits of a readers capability were about half to one meter depending on use.probably just waiting for us to buy the crap ones before marketing somthing better, seems smart c**!$ can do anything if their is revenue involved.back to gyros, it seems their may be an oportunity in about 18 months to 2 years for changes to take place that may make a very positive impact[]look forward to here the good news and would like to thank those involved for a job well done.mabee those that run the country should be volunteers too!

[Echo]

Damn right there, Hoody! How about the NSW state govt proposal to introduce the Workplace Fatalities Bill which will see farmers ( & other businesses ) face a 5 year goal term or a fine of $1.6 million if a fatality occurs in the workplace.If the bill gets passed it wont take long to flow into other states. Civil War - just go to Canberra & start there.( bring that sharp knife Ken - the only thing is the pollies have no balls)[!]

[asra]

As Oz pointed out a couple of days ago the man from CASA who is involved in the concerns expressed in this thread was taken for a fly by Jeff at Cooma. Your Board was involved in arranging this, as he had expressed a genuine interest in learning about the capabilities of gyros. We feel this is a more constructive way of achieving the progress we seek than generalised bitching; that does not mean we are not concerned about the madness of creeping bureaucracyJohn EvansThink logically and do things well, think laterally and do things better.

[birdy]

And people wunder why I don't employ anyone ay Echo.Staff are only good at p1ss'n me off, and I'm supposed to pay um to do that???John, if e's real interested, send im up ere, theres a couple o things I'd like to show im.Ignorance is bliss............but only till you realise you were.Ingratitude stinks.......be generous carefully.

[asra]

Getting back to the original thread..... There are various Hunting & Conservation Groups who are working hand in hand with state government departments to control feral animals in State Forests and Nat. Parks. (For some background information go to http://www.environment.sa.gov.au/par...ons_branch.pdf) These dedicated groups have not only made outstanding contributions towards ensuring the viability of a number of endangered native species but have also helped reverse the rapid degradation and defoliation of the parks caused by feral animals. All very civic minded stuff and good for the shooter image, wouldn't you agree?So, what's my point? Well, guess what, we have an image problem too.If you read the above link, you would have noticed that shooters and helicopters worked together in the culling programs. It is my view that gyros could have done everything the choppers did and at a fraction of the cost. OK, maybe two seaters would be needed to shoot from, but monitoring, spotting for ground parties, and baiting could easily be handled by single seaters.For us to advance the gyro beyond its current "fringe" tag, we have to show the public, bureaucrats and politicians that the gyro is a useful and underutilised tool and not just a play-thing. No offence to all the SCGs etc who already know what a great tool it is but, as far as 'slickers' are concerned, out of sight-out of mind, and we do need to be seen to have something of value to offer the public if we want our craft to be taken more seriously by the authorities.Has anyone thought to volunteer their services to one of the above programs? It could be a lot of fun and it would sure help raise our public profile.

[Echo]

Yes, I volunteered last year when I was in Parkes to help spot locust plagues in the area for free. Everyone was screaming that rural Aus. was on the verge of disaster ( in some places where they lost all their feed & crops it was )& we all had to pitch in. I rang the mob organising farmers & sprays , even sent pics of gyro , they were all keen on the phone but never rang back or answered e-mails.I think they had two choppers & an ag plane crash within two months ( three fatalities). Bloody dangerous them flying machines. I think it comes down to the fact I didnt have an Air Operators Certificate. Eric

[asra]

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[asra]

Good for you Echo and Hoody!Do you need an Air Operators Certificate (what ever that is - commercial operator?) even operating as a not-for-profit volunteer? I was thinking if we can just get a toe in the door with convincing freebie demos, the "Bunyip Gyros" business start-ups would follow in due course.