Work'n gyros.

[pocky]

RobNo not thicker.A ThinkerLV, Low Volume,perfect for limited weight aircraftA more concentrated formula. EG> sometink thats 80 grams a(Kg)or 80 mls a litre, In a lv could be ten fold of active constituent,LVs can sometimes be used with a less amount of water per hectare.Rob, Dogs, Budgies .Just as long the anbrake dosen,t join them,btw get me self a whippet x called oddbod because of his looksWoz, magic day here today must have bin close to 30 c.boundry rider

[asra]

Thanks Pocky.What's a Drom like to fly ? They look like they have some grunt !The andbrake wouldn't start because she is six months longer thanme.cheers.Robert DunnMackay. Qld.Growing old is good while it lasts.

[asra]

quote:Originally posted by Russell CookRob......if you think a helo pilot that gets trained to also fly a gyro is going to be good at both........THINK AGAINI've trained up a few helos in the gyro, they love us. They all have a problem with the power curve sinario. While they are still training with me , they get the idea ok, and fly good.They come back months or so down the track, to have a play etc. I can tell you every one without exception would have us on the deck, BENT etc, yes.....they have forgotten the backside of the power curve. General gyro flying etc, they are great......then I getem to get low and slow, into the gaps etc amongst the TREES, and every time they turn into helo pilots at the wrong time. They do this automatically, a trained only gyro pilot, automatically is aware of the power curve stuff,and he is OK.So what I'm trying to say is .....it's one or the other, instant decisions have to be made gyro wise at times automatically. Helos and gyros have some similarities, but boy, they can be as chalk and cheese too.Let the helos stay helos.......gyros stay gyros.....just my view.....Russ....A1014 NT....gods country

[asra]

quote:Originally posted by Russell CookRob......if you think a helo pilot that gets trained to also fly a gyro is going to be good at both........THINK AGAINI've trained up a few helos in the gyro, they love us. They all have a problem with the power curve sinario. While they are still training with me , they get the idea ok, and fly good.They come back months or so down the track, to have a play etc. I can tell you every one without exception would have us on the deck, BENT etc, yes.....they have forgotten the backside of the power curve. General gyro flying etc, they are great......then I getem to get low and slow, into the gaps etc amongst the TREES, and every time they turn into helo pilots at the wrong time. They do this automatically, a trained only gyro pilot, automatically is aware of the power curve stuff,and he is OK.So what I'm trying to say is .....it's one or the other, instant decisions have to be made gyro wise at times automatically. Helos and gyros have some similarities, but boy, they can be as chalk and cheese too.Let the helos stay helos.......gyros stay gyros.....just my view.....Russ....A1014 NT....gods country

[asra]

Russell Don't kid yourself about the transition from Helo to Gyro. Any experienced Helo mustering Pilot with his head screwed on (taking it easy initially) would hop in (with ASRAs basic training) and operate one of our specifically designed 912 (reliable) Gyros efficiently. Do you think a half worn out Robinson (which these guys operate) with full fuel, pilot and overweight manager (spotter) can hover(out of ground effect) in over 40 degree heat. NO! You have to keep them flying as you do a Gyro. I have made this transition personally and it is not as big a deal as you fellas are making out. When they find out how economical, efficient and effective these things are they will be on the band wagon. I'll guarantee you.I don't know if this is good or bad but I feel it will become an issue.Deano

[pocky]

RobTalking to the ag pilots that stepped up to the camel,their view is positive but it took them a while to get used to the slower response of stick input and initially u would see them doing flatter and wider turns instead of the stall type of turn.The extra power and heavier payload put them on a similar footing to the turbines without the expense.The 800 hp radial sounds good but was inclined to be thirsty,they also were inclined to use oil,A bit of trivea,The company that we use obtained one and it was amusing to hear how all the manuals were in Polish,Instruments were likewise.There were three sets of disabiling keys to prevent unauthorised use, and believe or not that the little dicky seat behind the pilot carried a guard when they were being used near the boarder regions to stop defectors.in the interor the seat carried the mechanic,(ground crew) Cheersboundry rider

[asra]

Pocky, sounds like it would be ok to fly as long as someone elsewas paying the bills.My flight director could have the dicky seat.Cheers.Robert DunnMackay. Qld.Growing old is good while it lasts.

[asra]

It is interesting reading different opinions on a pilot going from one type of flying machine to another.The answer is not easy to arrive at because some pilots have problems going from machine to machine, in some csaes the problem is more emotional than real because they have been programmed to believe that it is difficult to switch from one kind of flying machine to another.I personally have never had any problem with thinking ahead of what ever kind of device I am operating.....remember that if we "think" it is difficult to change mounts what happens when we get out of a flying machine into our car and then jump on a motorcycle?I have not heard many discussions about how difficult it is to change from an airplane, helicopter, gyro , sail plane etc. to a car and last time I looked the car sure is different. []Chuck E.

[birdy]

Don't you belive it Chuck, plenty o times I'v landed the gyro, jumped streight into a catcher to give a cow some much needed attention, and when I get to a log or gully or sumthn, I'll pull back on the steer'n wheel.Like wise the other way, I'v just been flog'n through the scrub in the catcher, then git back in the gyro, TO and scoot back at low level, and think I can just plough through a looming tree, like I would in the catcher.It can give you a bit of a fright sometimes.Ignorance is bliss............but only till you realise you were.Ingratitude stinks.......be generous carefully.

[asra]

If 90% of helos transit to gyros,helos,gyros and do this without any problems......GREATThat leaves 10%.....only a small number isn't it,that may be plastered on the news Ozy wide.......something along the lines of......Gyro crashes, pilot dead, wife and children distraught....Yes the headlines will be along these lines. Then a few days....weeks down the track, we get to hear that it was a helo pilot involved.......but too late, this will not be news worthy, therefore the initial headline is all we see.Even that 10% is not acceptable........sorrySo Dean, I'm pleased to hear you are copeing with both OK, I hope this continues.......but I will not sit in my machine with a helo about to come unstuck, and say to myself.......he's a helo pilot, he knows what he's doing, he will be OK........COZ HE BLOODY DOES'NT ALWAYS.....and ALWAYS you have to know what to do GYRO wise.I don't know about the rest of you guys.....but over many years I have had helos say to me " nuthin much to fly those things is there mate" or I hear FWers say about ultralites etc...."geez, wouldn't catch me in one of those things....bloody dangerous....kill ya"They have absolutely NO IDEA.....and they have a double dose of ATITUDE As I said before....helos stay helo...gyro stay gyrojust my views......Russ....A1014 NT....gods country

[asra]

RUSSELL, I would be interested in where you get your stats from. The helo pilots I know of and I know a few that have converted have had no accidents in the air as you speak of. Maybe ground handling of the rotors is initially a little tricky, and there may have been an odd bent rotor on the ground but certainly far less an accident rate than the gyro only trained pilot. And yes with a little over 2000hrs in the gyro I am doing okay, not saying that wont change tomorrow though.As to attitude, this comes back to whether somebody has a genuine interest and really wants to do it or not. You dont really have an idea until you have flown both. A legend Western Pilot that is rumoured to have more hours in gyros than anybody else in the world gave me early advice. He said "MATE, YOU GOTTA AVE EITHER HEIGHT OR AIR SPEED BECAUSE IF YOU GET IN THE SH*T (I think he meant behind the power curve or a bit down wind) YOU GOTTA 1. PUT HER ON FULL NOISE. 2. POINT THE BAST**D STRAIGHT AT THE GROUND. THEN WHEN YOUR CLOSE ENOUGH TO NEARLY COUNT ANTS: 3. REEF HER BACK MATE!"It cost me over $35000 16 years ago to learn this. (CONVERT HEIGHT INTO AIRSPEED)A bit rough but good advice I thought. THIS IS WHAT WILL SAVE YOUR LIFE!!!!As to the helo staying helo and gyro staying gyro surely we can be a bit more open minded than this. As this is all that stopped me from being a Lurker in the first place...Deano

[birdy]

Hmmmm........... I'm not say'n you or your mate don't know wot your do'n Dean, but thats not how I'd recover lost AS.[just an oppinion from a SCG.]Ignorance is bliss............but only till you realise you were.Ingratitude stinks.......be generous carefully.

[asra]

What works for you BIRDY!!! increasing power and converting height into airspeed has always worked for me!!!!!!! SURE BEATS CLOSING YOUR EYES AND SQUEEZING YOUR AR*E CHEEKS TOGETHER! Deano

[birdy]

It'll only work if you got some alt to sacrifice to start with.Can't say I'v ever thought o try'n close'n me eyes and clamp'n me cheeks.Ignorance is bliss............but only till you realise you were.Ingratitude stinks.......be generous carefully.

[Brian]

You dont know Rusty Birdy. I'm pretty sure thats who Deano is refering to.You never know how far you can go, till you get there !