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After some posts on this subject recently I thought I'd post some of my own thoughts, from a SCG's point of view.Everyone knows it happening, everyone also knows it's not realy leagal too, but all people who use these machines for work know theres nothn more efficiant, safe and practical than a gyro for certain jods.Mustering for one.And coz I muster my own critters, [ leagaly ] I'll only refer to mustering gyros.Whether your the cocky who hires the unit, or your the one who opperates it, it makes logical sence to use a gyro, over a FW or helicopter. Cost per hour, effectivness, safty, conveiniance and practicality are a few reasons off the top of my head why these machines are prefered over the next best, with is usualy the much more expencive R22 Robinson chopper.I'v heard mumblings bout have'n some sort of CASA authorisedcertificate or licence made up to allow gyros to be used for hire for a few years now, and nuthns materialised yet. This dosn't supprise me coz your talk'n bout private sector doers who want laws changed by public sector ........ who don't have any idea why we want to do wot we do. Logic, practicality and efficiancy are not words you'll find in their dictionary.[ not to mention there are alot of people make'n alota money out of the present inefficiant systm/laws.]IOW, I'm not hold'n me breath.But it MUST be done, coz innocent people are break'n the law by do'n something the easy, efficiant way only coz thats the way the laws are written.They ain't harm'n anybody, they are helping them.They ain't ripp'n anyone off, its much cheaper.The laws are old, things have changed and the law should keep up with the times.Why penalise someone who has the nouse the try something different.Why penalise someone who is make'n life easy for someone else, and make'n a little money at the same time.Isn't that wot taxie drivers do??The laws need to be change to suit the times, coz the times have changed.Wot we don't need tho is any change to the way its already be'n done.By that I mean, we don't want CASA certified machines, with all the inconveaniances and expence that'll go with it. Coz if that path is taken we'll only endup with expencive machines that'll be tied up with red tape delays, and we'll be back where we are now.Wots needed is sumthn like an ASRA authorised licence, backed by ASRA approved machines and training, approval that would come from people who KNOW whats a relevant machine and what training is needed.The people who create the laws SHOULD be the people the laws are supposed to protect,simply coz they are the ones who know wots needed.I know this'll probably never happen coz it's logical, and logic and simplicity are things insurance companies don't understand, and without insurance, it'll never pass.I know nuthn bout CASA, chang'n laws or who to talk to, but it's not right for people to be outlaws just coz their are smarter.I feel better now.Comments??Ignorance is bliss............but only till you realise you were.Ingratitude stinks.......be generous carefully.
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" I know nuthn bout CASA, chang'n laws or who to talk to, but it's not right for people to be outlaws just coz their are smarter."Birdy you don't want to try and understand any Government bureaucracy because they are disfunctional to the point that you best just not even think about them.Remember one persons view of what an outlaw is can be another persons idea of a normal thinking person. [
]Chuck E.
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Watch this space, we are working on it. I can't say more than that.LlewellaA sceptic is a person who, when he sees the handwriting on the wall, claims it is a forgery.
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Llewella i hope something happens real soon, i was going to put something like what Birdy put on but never got to it, well written Birdy, simple and straight to the point.Mark
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Well written Birdy, I believe that there is a powered parachute with an AOC(air operators certificate)to tow banners around as a commercial operation. The RAA are well ahead on these sorts of things. Maybe have a chat to Middo of RAA fame who used to be a CASA guy. He seems to be able to get things done and may be able to stear you in the right direction.Aussie Paul. [
]www.firebirdgyros.com
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ask tim for the date their will be a meeting i broken hill soon i dont know why asra has not let us in on the secret yet as there will be a asra representative therew drewery
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also if it was made legal asra should get a lot more gyros on the booksw drewery
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G;day.The laws allowing working gyro's should be administered by the relevent authority : ASRA, Not Casa.The laws should be drawn following consultation with the Gyrocommunity, those being ASRA members.An additional pilot licence endorsement would also be required for acommercial activity, this would probably be the way to getting aninsurance company on board. After all the safety of people andproberty is whats important ? My own personal view is that initionally the carrying of passengerscommercially should remain as is, Re: instuctional training etc.Small steps would lead to a thriving industry down the track.But we certainly wouldn't want to price ourselves out of the airinsurance wise, before we get of the ground !Cheers.Safe flying.Robert DunnMackay. Qld.Growing old is good while it lasts.
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Chucky, mate, good to ear from you again. Where ya been??BTW, I'd never attempt to understand a public servent[ now thats an oxymoron if ever there was one], just try'n to get them to think of sumthn other than next weekend.I'v been watch'n for a while Llewella and am greatful sumthn is be'n attempted. I just wanted to express me own point.A PP Paul??, now theres an uncontrolable aircraft in bad conditions if ever there was one.Who is RAA??"After all the safety of people andproberty is whats important"Yup Robert, thats why I use a gyro.BTW, insurance don't make anything safer. It only covers your ass financialy if some clown walks into ya rotor.Another point I forgot to post origionaly, I'm not supporting this coz I'll make a kill'n, I'm supporting it coz its right and nuthn more.Christ, I spend enough time now chase'n me own cows, why would i want to do it commercialy.Ignorance is bliss............but only till you realise you were.Ingratitude stinks.......be generous carefully.
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Birdy,The RAA (Recreational Aviation Australia) is the new name for the AUF.telfFlying - The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. (Douglas Adams-The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy)
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I fail to understand why contacting RAA would help at all. We are talking about Gyros, not ultralights! As I said about all the hot air that was flying on this Forum prior to the Nationals on another subject, have faith. We are working bl**dy hard on your behalf!We would rather the results come out as a 'fait accompli' than have someone get in the way and try and de-rail the process.Let's just drop it at this stage please.LlewellaA sceptic is a person who, when he sees the handwriting on the wall, claims it is a forgery.
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I'v shudup already.Ignorance is bliss............but only till you realise you were.Ingratitude stinks.......be generous carefully.
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I agree with Llewella,We must be patient, as there are dedicated and conscientious people in CASA working toward legalizing LLA (Low Level Activity) Gyro flying.I had the opportunity at Cooma to take an official from CASA for his first fly in a Gyro who has had experience in ultralights and recreation flying machines.The surprise came when I was asked to demonstrate the benefits, safety envelope and advantages of a Gyro. At first I was a bit cautious and apprehensive as to his intentions, but was promptly put at ease when Dave requested a turn at the controls and guidance through some of the maneuvers.After the debriefing it was my turn to ask some questions, to my surprise it was encouraging to learn how much effort CASA is putting into legalizing the LLA.Although I am not obliged to comment on what was divulged, I do know there is a method that some people are using to get around the complications subsequently the CASA has deduced, if there are ways to get around the legalities, they may as well try and make it Legal.Patience is -
! [|)]Jeff H-S
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Thank youto all those in the trenches for us on this one then,thanksMark
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Thats great.I better start saving some more pennies.Robert DunnMackay. Qld.Growing old is good while it lasts.
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