Revised CAO 95-12 amendment 2

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"A beginner can't get lost in 6,650 squ klm"? - he he he (as Bob would say)Tim McClureBroken Hill

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And dont forget that moss grows on the south side of a tree !Robert DunnMackay. Qld.Growing old is good while it lasts.

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And dont forget that moss grows on the south side of a tree !Robert DunnMackay. Qld.Growing old is good while it lasts.

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Paul Said:This is great news, particularly for me. It will allow me to train from Ballarat after the 25th March 2006, yes next week.[] If I was not allowed to operate from Ballarat I would not continue training. G'day Paul,Does this mean you Will be training next week? Does it also mean you have a machine to train in? Also, Will you be reinstated as CFI. If "no" to any of above, "when"?RegardsFred

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Paul Said:This is great news, particularly for me. It will allow me to train from Ballarat after the 25th March 2006, yes next week.[] If I was not allowed to operate from Ballarat I would not continue training. G'day Paul,Does this mean you Will be training next week? Does it also mean you have a machine to train in? Also, Will you be reinstated as CFI. If "no" to any of above, "when"?RegardsFred

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quote:Originally posted by fredjrobertsPaul Said:This is great news, particularly for me. It will allow me to train from Ballarat after the 25th March 2006, yes next week.[] If I was not allowed to operate from Ballarat I would not continue training. G'day Paul,Does this mean you Will be training next week? Does it also mean you have a machine to train in? No Fred, I do not have a trainer ready at this time.Also, Will you be reinstated as CFI. Yes, next Saturday.If "no" to any of above, "when"?I won't have a trainer or be training untill I get Firebird certified. The ability to opperate from Ballareat will speed the certification process up.Aussie Paul.[]RegardsFredwww.firebirdgyros.com

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quote:Originally posted by fredjrobertsPaul Said:This is great news, particularly for me. It will allow me to train from Ballarat after the 25th March 2006, yes next week.[] If I was not allowed to operate from Ballarat I would not continue training. G'day Paul,Does this mean you Will be training next week? Does it also mean you have a machine to train in? No Fred, I do not have a trainer ready at this time.Also, Will you be reinstated as CFI. Yes, next Saturday.If "no" to any of above, "when"?I won't have a trainer or be training untill I get Firebird certified. The ability to opperate from Ballareat will speed the certification process up.Aussie Paul.[]RegardsFredwww.firebirdgyros.com

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Will you be reinstated as CFI. Yes, next Saturday.If "no" to any of above, "when"?[blue]I won't have a trainer or be training untill I get Firebird certified. Thanks Paul. On the local news last night, the local shire was making noises like they were going to go ahead with an "airpark" development at Bairnsdale airport. Blocks of land would have permit for house and hangar to open direct onto airport, with no landing fees. Definitely food for thought. A Vic CFI would make it a lot easier for local instructor(s) to operate. A couple or few operators with a variety of training machines would attract students from all over. I better be careful not to hijack Birdy's thread.RegardsFred

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Will you be reinstated as CFI. Yes, next Saturday.If "no" to any of above, "when"?[blue]I won't have a trainer or be training untill I get Firebird certified. Thanks Paul. On the local news last night, the local shire was making noises like they were going to go ahead with an "airpark" development at Bairnsdale airport. Blocks of land would have permit for house and hangar to open direct onto airport, with no landing fees. Definitely food for thought. A Vic CFI would make it a lot easier for local instructor(s) to operate. A couple or few operators with a variety of training machines would attract students from all over. I better be careful not to hijack Birdy's thread.RegardsFred

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quote:Originally posted by Firebird PaulNick, you should have been taught from day one how not to get lost while you are legally flying within the 25 nm radius availible to you as a gyroplane certificate holder. This is one of the reasons that CASA did not want us mixing it with correctly trained pilots in the first place. The ultralighters were in the same boat but they were well ahead of us in getting quality training schools. Fortunately we now have some good instructors producing gyro pilots that are responsible, and we have earnt these new privileges.Being able to operate safely within the 25 nm radius is part of gaining a gyroplane pilot certificate, or it should be.Nick you said,Just for an experiment take your next 'green' and absolutely ab inition student pilot on a little jaunt out of site of the strip, then ask him to nav back, take plenty of fuel because it could be interesting where you end up. We would end up back at the airport Nick, because even on the first flight a student should be made aware of the environment we are operating in. There is more to being a pilot than flying the aircraft.[]Aussie Paul.[]www.firebirdgyros.comPaul,Excuse me for being cynical, but I beg to disagree.I did 2 tifs in GA and one tif in ULA before I started on gyros, there was absolutely *no* attention paid to navigating back to the strip, that was on the instructor, I even remember having difficulty with navigating to a building with a 'dome' as I thought the instructor was saying 'foam' through all the noise ... a building with a foam roof... wtf, where the f is that?????? WTF is he going on about??? better ask, ten times won't hurt.... [ Yes - these things do happen ]What are the rules as you go: "Aviate, navigate, communicate"First you learn to aviate, then you learn to navigate, then you learn to communicate. Further, from what I remember of what you did with your students before you got canned, you trained them how to fly and then trained them how to navigate, is that right? ie, Pilot certificate before cross country navs?Just for your own experience try what I have suggested, you may be surprised... don't cue your student, take him away from the strip, out of sight of it and say, behind a hill, just see what happens, my experience says your student would be as lost as a pilot in a cloud, if you ignore this possibility, more fool you. The reason for this is that there is a huge work load on an ab initio student, you're that busy watching the horizon, speed, etc that you quickly lose sight of where the strip is, *especially* if it is a grass strip, and you Paul, will operate off lovely black bitumen, easy to see in a sea of green.I hope this helps you,Nicholas TomlinAlarmist - www.alarmist.com.au - we scare for you

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quote:Originally posted by Firebird PaulNick, you should have been taught from day one how not to get lost while you are legally flying within the 25 nm radius availible to you as a gyroplane certificate holder. This is one of the reasons that CASA did not want us mixing it with correctly trained pilots in the first place. The ultralighters were in the same boat but they were well ahead of us in getting quality training schools. Fortunately we now have some good instructors producing gyro pilots that are responsible, and we have earnt these new privileges.Being able to operate safely within the 25 nm radius is part of gaining a gyroplane pilot certificate, or it should be.Nick you said,Just for an experiment take your next 'green' and absolutely ab inition student pilot on a little jaunt out of site of the strip, then ask him to nav back, take plenty of fuel because it could be interesting where you end up. We would end up back at the airport Nick, because even on the first flight a student should be made aware of the environment we are operating in. There is more to being a pilot than flying the aircraft.[]Aussie Paul.[]www.firebirdgyros.comPaul,Excuse me for being cynical, but I beg to disagree.I did 2 tifs in GA and one tif in ULA before I started on gyros, there was absolutely *no* attention paid to navigating back to the strip, that was on the instructor, I even remember having difficulty with navigating to a building with a 'dome' as I thought the instructor was saying 'foam' through all the noise ... a building with a foam roof... wtf, where the f is that?????? WTF is he going on about??? better ask, ten times won't hurt.... [ Yes - these things do happen ]What are the rules as you go: "Aviate, navigate, communicate"First you learn to aviate, then you learn to navigate, then you learn to communicate. Further, from what I remember of what you did with your students before you got canned, you trained them how to fly and then trained them how to navigate, is that right? ie, Pilot certificate before cross country navs?Just for your own experience try what I have suggested, you may be surprised... don't cue your student, take him away from the strip, out of sight of it and say, behind a hill, just see what happens, my experience says your student would be as lost as a pilot in a cloud, if you ignore this possibility, more fool you. The reason for this is that there is a huge work load on an ab initio student, you're that busy watching the horizon, speed, etc that you quickly lose sight of where the strip is, *especially* if it is a grass strip, and you Paul, will operate off lovely black bitumen, easy to see in a sea of green.I hope this helps you,Nicholas TomlinAlarmist - www.alarmist.com.au - we scare for you

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What are the rules as you go: "Aviate, navigate, communicate"First you learn to aviate, then you learn to navigate, then you learn to communicate.Nick, those rules are the sequence of decision making in the sky, and nothing to do with the order in which the subjects are taught.I believe situation awareness comes to all of us given time and experience in the flying area. Navigation is the art of making use of rehersals performed even before the trip begins and invaluable when out of your 25 mile zones.PeteBairnsdale,Vic.

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What are the rules as you go: "Aviate, navigate, communicate"First you learn to aviate, then you learn to navigate, then you learn to communicate.Nick, those rules are the sequence of decision making in the sky, and nothing to do with the order in which the subjects are taught.I believe situation awareness comes to all of us given time and experience in the flying area. Navigation is the art of making use of rehersals performed even before the trip begins and invaluable when out of your 25 mile zones.PeteBairnsdale,Vic.

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Agree Pete.Decison making especially, but the nav part does not come until later in the course, once you've learned how to fly the thing - ie, the sitting up stage, never mind walking to mum over on the couch there.., then you learn to point it to where you want to go, and I speak here of completely out of sight of the run way.Actually, I'm glad this came up because I am at the stage where I will be considering navigational exercises, when I work out what sort of fuel consumption my machine has, the flow meter has not been calibrated for a while.Have you considered it in the perspective of taking a wee?I know that it is pretty instinctive to you, but ask a two year old of the complications... you know they can do it, but can they get it in the toilet bowl without prompting? [don't you women start on the 'gee it would be nice if they got it all in the bowl..even at fifty something they miss']Nicholas TomlinAlarmist - www.alarmist.com.au - we scare for you

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Agree Pete.Decison making especially, but the nav part does not come until later in the course, once you've learned how to fly the thing - ie, the sitting up stage, never mind walking to mum over on the couch there.., then you learn to point it to where you want to go, and I speak here of completely out of sight of the run way.Actually, I'm glad this came up because I am at the stage where I will be considering navigational exercises, when I work out what sort of fuel consumption my machine has, the flow meter has not been calibrated for a while.Have you considered it in the perspective of taking a wee?I know that it is pretty instinctive to you, but ask a two year old of the complications... you know they can do it, but can they get it in the toilet bowl without prompting? [don't you women start on the 'gee it would be nice if they got it all in the bowl..even at fifty something they miss']Nicholas TomlinAlarmist - www.alarmist.com.au - we scare for you