quote:Excuse me for being cynical, but I beg to disagree.I did 2 tifs in GA and one tif in ULA before I started on gyros, there was absolutely *no* attention paid to navigating back to the strip, that was on the instructor, I even remember having difficulty with navigating to a building with a 'dome' as I thought the instructor was saying 'foam' through all the noise ... a building with a foam roof... wtf, where the f is that?????? WTF is he going on about??? better ask, ten times won't hurt.... [ Yes - these things do happen ]What are the rules as you go: "Aviate, navigate, communicate"First you learn to aviate, then you learn to navigate, then you learn to communicate. Further, from what I remember of what you did with your students before you got canned, you trained them how to fly and then trained them how to navigate, is that right? ie, Pilot certificate before cross country navs?Just for your own experience try what I have suggested, you may be surprised... don't cue your student, take him away from the strip, out of sight of it and say, behind a hill, just see what happens, my experience says your student would be as lost as a pilot in a cloud, if you ignore this possibility, more fool you. The reason for this is that there is a huge work load on an ab initio student, you're that busy watching the horizon, speed, etc that you quickly lose sight of where the strip is, *especially* if it is a grass strip, and you Paul, will operate off lovely black bitumen, easy to see in a sea of green.I hope this helps you,Nicholas TomlinAlarmist - www.alarmist.com.au - we scare for youYou can disagree all you want Nick but it does not make you right. Obviously you, your instructor and the trainer being used are totally different to my trainer, my students, and myself. We don't encounter the problems you talk about.Aussie Paul.[
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