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Why is it that a gyroplane can only fly between 300 and 500 ft. AGL.I am aware if we apply to CASA for a variation in accordance with the provisions of CAO 95.12 or CAO 95.12.1, and its accepted, we then can.It seems all other forms of aviation in Australia are 2 to 3 steps ahead of the gyro community.The other day, I was speaking to a hang-gliding pilot, and asked what his max legal altitude AGL is, and he replied "10,000 ft" Weeks ago while flying at a private airfield I use, another pilot came up to me and asked "If I could try and keep all my flying above 500 ft AGL", well was he suprised when I told him 500 AGL is my max legal altitude". Its just so silly, espesially when you consider our glide rate.As licenced gyroplane pilots, I ask ASRA what can we do !!!!!!Regards Sam. [B)][B)][B)]
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Gidday Sam,The limits are imposed by the CAOs you quoted. To change these the amendment has to be approved by Parliament. This is a time consuming and expensive exercise, and with the advent of the CASRs superceding the CAOs, CASA has decided that it is not warranted. That is why we all have to apply for variations to the CAOs for ourselves.Do you recall how long it took to get the Regs changed to allow for passenger carriage? I do.What is ASRA doing? Seems like a dig at me, as this is my direct responsibility.Well, it would appear that many out there forget that all ASRA Officers are volunteers. In my case, I have a family to run, elderly parents to care for, a home to maintain, a job that takes me away from home for up to 12 days at a time, gyro to repair, students who clamour for training, members who seek advice on many and varied subjects, an Ops Manual that must be continually maintained to ensure compliance with the many regulatory changes that you guys don't even see, responsibilities as the Accident & Incident Registrar and the associated investigations and reports that are necessarily required, and because no other member will assist, I am also trying to hold down the Training and Safety Managers portfolio. So. What am I trying to do about the 500'rule? Well right now, not much. Perhaps when the problems with the hub-bar failures are completely sorted, and I can convince members that ASRA is not in a position to dictate design criteria for gyros or mandate things such as a thrust line within 4" of the VCoG, and my next licence renewal at work goes OK, then I can check with CASA to see what progress has been made with a proposal to hand the responsibility for issueing such dispensations over to ASRA. Of course, Sam, I am really looking forward to this, as it will probably mean writing another short exam, then monitoring the system to ensure compliance. Yep. I really want to go there.Having vented a little, I can assure you that moves are afoot to do what we can to alleviate the situation. It is not our fault that other airspace users are ignorant of the rules by which we must fly. But, I suppose that with all the time I have on my hands, I could volunteer to travel the country in my spare time and educate them.Bottom line? The CAOs will not be changed to alter the 500' rule. When the CASRs are gazetted. this limit will disappear for us. ASRA and CASA are working towards a system where ASRA will issue the required dispensations.Regards,Allan Wardill.
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Ah,Allan,I think Sam was volunteering... he said, 'what can we do?'Cheers,Nick.
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Allan it was not ment to be a dig at anyone, espesially you, and as Nick said my question is "what can we do about it"I totally understand, and thank you, and all who devote their time and effort to this great sport.I am just dumbfounded, when I hear hang-gliders, powerd parachutes, Trikes, and ultralights pilots able to fly to the hights they do. If it means volunteering, then so be it.If I can help in any way to overcome this ruleing, then please let me know !!!!!!.Regards Sam.
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Sam, I recall only a few days ago Lewella calling for volunteers to fill some of the many jobs that ASRA do for us so call Lewella and she will point you the right place !!! I back Allen and the ASRA board for the work they do, all of the ASRA board and officials do a great job.While we do have limitations imposed on us, its nothing to what things were like only a few years ago. ASRA have done a lot of work to get us to this point where we can legally fly in and out of airports and have the privalages that we do.Brian
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I start to get nose bleeds above 200 feet
Brian
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I think the min level should be dropped to 200' .... stuff the 10,000'
Safe Flying ... ding Good judgment comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgment
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Who said anything about flying to 10,000 ft !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I would only like us to be able to fly in and out of CTAF's and MBZ 's at the legal, hight of 1000 ft.The extra hight would become useful during cross country flying.No wonder we are seen as cowboys, in order to fit in with the rest of the flying community, we must also fly by their rules.Looks like this stigma is here to stay.
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Gee Sam, I think you've missed the point Allan was trying to make! Those of us who have been involved in the negotiations with CASA have to recognise that we have to work from the position we are in toward the position we want, this is a slow and painful process. When Part 103 eventually becomes law most of your concerns will be dealt with.Perhaps the obvious gaps in your knowlege could be remedied by going back and reading Gyro News, our CASA Liaison Officer has regularly reported on progress in this area, it's slow, but it is happening.We must also pay due regard to history and the activities of our pioneers, especially Bob Higgins.John EvansThink logically and do things well, think laterally and do things better.
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Sam ,that will teach you to ask a simple question.Daryl Patterson
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If and when I get a Gyro, it will be fitted with a full GA panel.I wouldn't own an aircraft that wasn't.Apart from just stooging around flying the dawn patrol for the fun of it, my Gyro would beflown on some long cross country jaunts.I would train with fellows like Paul and Murray and those blokesbecause I trust them and I wouldn't question their instrumentation.I'm talking about my Jittny.Flying the Mooney across the ridges with only 500' clearance can getvery rough, sometimes you need 4000' to be in smooth air,thats whymy jittny would be fitted with all of the bells and whistles.I am not too worried about dying because I know that wherever I amI wont perish one second before its my turn BUT,flying can be dangerous as the pics below show.I feel that it is my responsibility to my family, fellow Aviatorsand the people below to be as save and as well prepared as possible.I also see the need for rule changes so that they can be operated in a more professional manner but safety and responibility must bedemonstrated first.I am not suggesting that you guys dont have the the same attitude because I dont know any of you yet,this is just my two cents worth, as they say,Cheers.Robert DunnMackay. Qld.Growing old is good while it lasts.
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PS: Operated in a "more profossional manner" was the wrong choice of words .What I meant was, flown in the GA environment.Sorry about the pics, you would have found them interesting,butwhen I try to download them I get a window telling me that i must be logged on before i can used that page, even tho I am already loggedon ! Oh well, I must be on the black sheep list again.I will try to post them on the Yank forum. Off topic...Be careful.havagooday.Robert DunnMackay. Qld.Growing old is good while it lasts.
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What is a Jittny? I hope it's not too important, because I don't think I've got one.Ross B
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